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Second debate thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by TheRealist137, Oct 9, 2016.

  1. Deckard

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    Hillary Clinton is and has been a progressive Democrat for decades. On some issues, she can safely be described as liberal (women's rights, for example), and on others she fits the Jack Kennedy mold - progressive on social issues, even liberal, and strong on national defense and the economy, as Kennedy was, which today often gets you branded as "of the right," which wasn't the case at all in the 1950's and '60's. Clinton is a pragmatic politician. How is that a sin? She has worked hard to promote liberal/progressive issues from the time she was in college and up until today. Trump loves to trumpet, "What has she done?" Plenty. She's been busting her arse for social justice and other social issues for decades, usually against Republican obstructionism in Congress and under non-stop assault from the GOP machine over the last 25 years. Why? Because they knew she would one day run for President.

    The RNC is cashing in its chips against Hillary in this election. They expected her to get the nomination that carried President Obama to two terms, but the President surprised them and Hillary by winning enough of the primaries in 2008, and history was made. So the GOP took a different tack in attempting to demonize Obama, driven in the background, and sometimes right out in the open, by racism. Trump was part of that, but far from the only one. With Ms. Clinton, they are using different tactics. What did they do? They nominated a misogynist, who's disdain for women is loud and "proud." In the process, beginning with the President, the Republican Party has lost its way. Today, it bears little resemblance to the GOP of the '60's, '70's, and '80's. Nixon wouldn't have been conservative enough for today's GOP. Neither would Ford. Reagan couldn't have sniffed the nomination. As conservative as he seemed at the time, the man is far too "moderate" for this far-right version of his party, regardless of the lip service Republican still toss his way.

    The Republican Party is lost in its madness.
     
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  2. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Since short videos and Twitter are all that Trumpanzees have the attention span to digest.

     
  3. Ubiquitin

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    Toxic Trump is willing to destroy everything because he has nothing to else to lose besides the election.
     
  4. Cohete Rojo

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    The Hillary Clinton campaign is unhappy that Trump brought up Bill Clinton's indiscretions. If you don't want Bill's name invoked as criticism then you shouldn't have invoked his name as policy or policy qualification. Seems like Hillary lacks common sense. Just what we need in our president.
     
  5. SamFisher

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    ^breaking news, non college internet male has thoughts on Hillary Clinton's marriage.
     
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  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    And Trump doesn't lack common sense?
     
  7. Amiga

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    Common sense is to talk about Bill - he's very popular among voters.

    Not common sense is to bring up Bill indiscretions by Trump. Except for a few, we all know how well that will go for Trump among most voters that aren't his diehard fans.
     
  8. Dankstronaut

    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.

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  9. Dankstronaut

    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.

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    Look, you don't have to agree with my position on voting. You clearly don't. I suppose you don't have to try to understand my position either. Makes you kind of ass but that's up to you as well. You are equating voting to getting your way though, there are millions of people who vote and don't get anything out of it. To boot, the level of authority over me changes not. Not with my vote. Not with your vote. Not with 40-50% or 80% of the countries votes. The majority gets their way whether I'm part of it, against it or abstain from it. Jesus H., do you even understand how voting works? For some reason I feel like I have a better grasp of it and I don't even participate.

    Yes. I care. I do. Please, ATTEMPT a level of understanding here because it's the last time I'm going to say it....I do not believe in this system of choosing a leader. I do not believe in the 2 people put forward by that system. I don't even totally believe our votes are counted and this is truly a democracy (which I know is a little tinfoil hat territory but it is what it is. I'm cynical AF). I have better things to do than pretend like Gary Johnson is a legitimate vote, I may as well vote for Bucky F. Dent but I don't generally waste my time (although posting here...) I am not going to vote for these 2 people, anyone else for that matter. That doesn't mean I have to avoid political discussion for the next 4 years (although I might...)

    Btw, calling spades as spades is hardly complaining. Pretty much feel like I'm right on target, close enough anyway.
     
  10. Invisible Fan

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    It's no secret that primaries are the most important part of the selection process for candidates as lines are heavily gerrymandered on both sides.

    It's almost 1:5 total primary voters to total registered voters, whereas the percentage is around 57% for a presidential election. For lower offices and Presidential off years, total participation and turnout is significantly lower.

    As it's still a democracy, you're trying to win majorities out of those fractions rather than the oft quoted "Hillary thinks 40% of Americans are deplorable basketcases".

    Maybe people get that. Maybe they don't. For the people that do get it, complaining over the final two choices is a waste of time.
     
  11. JuanValdez

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    Toxic Trump can't do ****. He's going to call Paul Ryan some names now? So what? The Trumpists will probably be an ebbing issue for the Republican party for a little while, but Trump's just about done now. He'll rage against the machine until Nov 8 (or maybe Nov 28), then we'll install a new President and Trump will just be a laughable footnote in the annals of American history.

    @Derp McFlopsky, don't sweat it. Regardless of how you vote or don't vote, D&D is here for you to complain at. Who is going to stop you?
     
  12. Dankstronaut

    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.

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    Lol...you call trump a blowhard (in so many words) and you're what...correct? I do it and it's "complaining". We're saying the same thing but somehow, you're a little better than me. <^> (o_O) <^>
     
  13. JuanValdez

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    Nah, I'm definitely not better than anyone. But you and I are in the same boat. I won't be casting a vote for either major candidate, but I sure as hell will be complaining about what they do once one of them gets into office. I only say 'complain' because that's the language @txtony was using.
     
  14. Dubious

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    No it's not. The stability of world and it's markets are better served by Ms. Clinton's team and gridlock. With a solitary radical and a reactionary, defensive positions become more required. Everyone's wealth and security is at risk. If you want considered and vetted actions the choice is clear. Vote for a 3rd party and you let other people threaten your safety.

    After Nov. 8 you can start your support for a third party for 2020, and more power to you.
     
  15. fchowd0311

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    Can you imagine the severe drop in bargaining power with a Trump presidency from an Obama presidency. Just imagine all the Heads of States of major world powers like Germany, France, UK, Japan etc who are used to dealing with someone like Obama who has similar levels of intellect and nuance as his peers and then having to deal with a clueless idiot that lacks any nuance. It'll be like that South Park episode where the Japanese infiltrated America by pandering to American male machismo:"Our penis so small, your penis so BIG!" where Angela Merkel will just have to speak about how President Trump has large hands and Trump will eat it up.

    No wonder why Putin wants this clown as our president.
     
  16. sirbaihu

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    Kinda off topic but great pic. No luv. . . .

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