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Seattle gives Rashard a Wednesday ultimatum?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hottoddie, Sep 16, 2002.

  1. Invisible Fan

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    Trader Bod Whitsit and Sonics management would rot in hell before they mutually help each other. It's almost like Kevin McHale doing deals with the Lakers...
     
  2. DCkid

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    uhhh...no we don't. We have a geriatric with serious leg problems who could very well be making an early exit this season due to injury, a 2nd round pick who sucked last season, and a young rookie who has never played in the NBA. In my opinion, we would greatly benefit from having a solid, proven, starting small forward who is not 10000 miles over-the-hill.
     
  3. DCkid

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    I know! And just imagine how little he's going to score on Dallas with all the guys they have. No matter what Cuban "promises," I can't see him giving 60 million to a guy who only averaged 15 ppg and 5 rpg at the most. If Lewis signs with Dallas I'd be willing to bet the Mavs won't just throw all the money he wants in his direction just because they "promised" him 3 years ago. Lewis and his agent can't be that stupid...not again.

    Cuban also "promised" Tim Hardaway they wouldn't trade him. :rolleyes:

    The reason I want Rashard is because he gives us a SOLID spotup shooter to go along with Yao Ming and his kickouts. The Rockets championships were won in the same way...with kickouts and good 3-point shooters. Rashard=one of the best shooters in the league. Offensively, I think he would be a perfect fit. I'm not expecting him to be a 16 ppg scorer, so in turn, I wouldn't be willing to pay him much money.
     
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  4. DavidS

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    It's doesn't represent, Points Per Game!

    It's a single BOXSCORE of what I want to see.

    Also,
    why would you think that Mobley is the 3rd option? You seem
    to think that "option" is who has the ball the most. Not true. If that
    was the case then Francis would have scored the most last year.

    Mobley should lead the team in scoring this coming year. But, because
    of Yao, Francis's assists may go up . Yao will help Mobley and
    Francis score more too. It's an adjustment of assists for this coming year.
    One good thing is that Francis and Mobley's FG% should improve due to Yao
    as well. Thank god! We need that...

    Last Year FG attemps -
    Mobley: 1358
    Francis: 1007

    Last Year FG % -
    Mobley: .438%
    Francis: .417% (SUCKS!)

    P.S. You sound like a Mobley hater.
     
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  5. LeGrouper

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    I am probably as big a Mobley fan as you will find. I actually saw him twice in person while he was the man up in Rhode Island. I just don't see him scoring more than twenty on a team with SF and big Yao. Those guys are going to get their shots. Mobley is just a really good third option. Last year he had to be the first and that is where all of these Mobley haters come from. That is why he settles for less than Max money because he knows he is really just a really good third option and not the man you want to run an offense through. But a great kick out.
     
  6. TBar

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    Rashard Lewis should take the 64 mil and run like a rabbit to the bank. He has delusions of grandeur thinking he is a max money player. He is incredibly lucky. The Sonics are incredibly stupid offering him more than 6 to 7 mil per year.

    I do not care where Lweis turns up. I wish the Sonics could get him signed for 64 mil, then sign Payton for a 3 year big money extension, rather than get rid of both and rebuild. I am a Sonics hater......-So give Lewis the big contract.....
     
  7. DavidS

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    I'm hoping that Mobley becomes an x-factor. I know that he will
    have some 40 point games this year be cause of Yao. It's strange
    because we can play the highpost Yao/Francis and Yao/Mobley.
    Those are great options! Both are dangerous to the other team.

    Another interesting situation is that Rudy has taught
    Francis how to run the team (not score the most points). Francis
    reminds me of Nate "Tiny" Archibald. Like Nate, Francis can score
    40 points in a game, but other nights he can get 15 assists.

    Now with Yao, Francis is going to improve that much more.

    Note: I DID NOT say 40 PPG, but 40 point games now and again
    for Francis/Mobley.
     
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    Is he kidding?
     
  9. Pat

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    I read the other day that Atlanta has three max contracts.
     
  10. off_welfare

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    He'll never get that incentive haha
     
  11. xiki

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    64 mil -- take it quick, Rashard, take it quick. And watch ouch I mean out for your shoulder.

    Football agents? Where could an NFLer get this kind of contract Mr Poston?

    PS We need to add a '3' ? -- sign Naillon ourselves or resign the Wizard.
     
  12. CoPilot

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    This is what I have said all along about Lewis he is about the money ONLY

    He has the chance to get max money in Seattle BUT he has to have MAX Money numbers to show he is worth it

    But lo and behold he wont sign that ...WHY ? ...Because he knows he is not a MAX player and wont put up MAX numbers in the next few years


    So I say why do the ROCKS want a player that is not a team player

    That plays to pad HIMSELF and his EGO not to get rings for the team but to get MONEY for HIMSELF


    This is why I say we :mad: WE DONT NEED LEWIS :mad:

    Because he wont be playing team ball he will be playing LEWIS ball


    The best thing (but it wont happen ) for the ROCKS would be he take the MAVS up on there MCE there he would show he was not worth MAX money or a sign and trade deal

    Then next year he will be traded to a say Wizard type of team and make 2nd round money the rest of his playing time


    So Lewis take your 64 Mil now and thank the lord you got that ....:cool:
     
  13. stevel

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    I read someone say that the Rockets screwed Rashard by not drafting him. :confused: During that draft we took Dcikerson because we needed a shooting guard and he was very good before injuries. He was as athletic as any 2 guard in the league(save Kobe) and he played defense.

    We took Bryce because we needed a PG, and ALOT of people thought he would be the next John Stockton. He had just come off a good tournament showing, hitting 2 game winners. Who had ever heard of Valpo. before that tournament? Bryce's problem was he was too slow for the 1, and too small for the 2. He is really a 2, but a huge liability on defense.

    We took Mirsad Turkcan because he came down here and hit 23 out of 25 3s. He then went to Denver and hit all 25 of his 3s. He was supposed to be a good rebounder as well (I believe he is 6'9). We couldn't have kept this pick anyway because we signed Pippen. Had we taken Rashard he probably would have been cut as well. At this time not many HS kids were being drafted. We had an older team that was trying to make one last run at a title.

    Of course hindsight is 20/20. Looking back Bryce and Mirsad were bad picks, and Pippen proved worthelss to us. Dickerson was valuable because he ended up helping us get Francis.

    I don't feel that we screwed Rashard. I think the Rockets thought that Denver was going to take Mirsad and when he was available I think they changed plans. Had Mirsad panned out, it would have been sweet seeing him knock down the open 3s that Hakeem and Barkly would have created. I saw Rashard play in HS because I subbed in Alief during college, and he wasn't the best outside shooter. Plus, look at how many HS actually have worked out. For each stud (Kobe, T-Mac, KG, and even Rashard) there are just as many guys that haven't done anything yet (Korleone Young, Bender, Harrington, Leon Smith, and last year's number 1- Kwame).

    Rashard was slightly screwed by Seattle when Toronto tried to sign him for significantly more than Seattle was offering. Seattle probably played on his youth and inexperience when promising big money later. However, that was his fault as well. Having said all this I like Rashard and I would love to see him in a Rocket uniform. He has skills, he's young, and still has potential to grow. If he ends up with Dallas I don't think he will make that big a difference with them as they already have too many studs wanting to get theirs. I feel he will probably get lost in the shuffle. If returns to Seattle no big deal as Seattle's line up isn't as strong as ours is currently. If he's willing to come here I say bring him and lets start kicking ass and taking names.
     
  14. ricerocket

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    I think he wants to get on a better team. He realizes in the west Seattle isn't going anywhere. If it was only about money he would sign there. Now he has a chance to go to a winner, make serious money and move closer to home. If it was only about money, he wouldn't risk taking less and getting injured or not living up to expectations before the next contract.

    All that said, I don't think we need him, but for the exception, he would be a nice addition. I think we would have to move Rice, MT, and/or Thomas in a sign and trade, which I can't see Seattle doing.
     
  15. DCkid

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    Exactly. If this was Houston or Dallas offering him sixty million he probably would have signed the first day of the signing period. Rashard has never been extremely happy in Seattle. This isn't all about the money. A player wouldn't risk losing 50 million dollars to sign with somebody who "promises" to pay him big money in three years. That can't be the advice his agent is giving him. I think this has to do with a combination of money AND playing closer to home.

    by the way, is Seattle just trying to screw around with him now...9.25 rebounds?
     
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    No other significant stats? I'll take Jordan like scoring, I don't care if he doesn't do anything else. Mobley also grabs about 4 rebounds per game, and his assist will probably rise from 2.5 assist per game now that the Rockets have a PG and inside game to compliment it. Until Ming and Griffin mature, our top 2 options are Francis and Mobley. When they DO mature, Francis and Mobley won't be the Rockets first options most likely.
     
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    I didn't get that 9.25 rebounds goal either. From the small forward position? I guess they will start Radmonovic at PF, so that would make it even tougher for him to reach that goal.

    A sign and trade for KT would help both teams... :)
     
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    Awww poor Rashard, has to settle with getting drafted in the NBA and getting offered 60 million dollars. I really feel sorry for him, how could he ever make an honest living off of that!
     
  19. DCkid

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    Well, I don't think it was just because the Rockets didn't take him, it was because they made it sound like they were going to take him. At least, that's what I remember thinking after reading some articles in the Chronicle around that time with quotes from people in Rockets management. May have just been a smokescreen. I remember being surprised they didn't draft him.
     
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    Why do the Sonics think Duncan would be tempted to join a Seattle team without Lewis or Payton?
    More teams seem to be adopting this strategy of dumping all their talented players and big contracts, assuming that their cap room will entice some free agent to come to town and be their savior.
    This tactic is catching on, despite the fact that it has yet to really work for anyone. The Bulls had tons of cap room and couldn't get anyone better than Ron Mercer. Orlando landed Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill, but haven't become better than they were before their salary dump.
    I encourage Seattle and all the other Western contenders pursue this path of wishful thinking and rid themselves of talent to create cap room. It will make the Rockets' rise to the top that much easier.
     

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