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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by crash5179, Dec 12, 2004.

  1. franchise23

    franchise23 Member

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    yeah i think anyone who can rebound and play defense at the 4 spot sounds nice right about now.
     
  2. m_cable

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    I'd do it without even blinking. Get this: even though Kwame's career has been considered a total bust, he still has a higher career average in rpg than Mo. And that's with playing less minutes. And going by rebounds per minute, Kwame has a significant advantage over Howard too. This guy needs a change of scenary in the worst way. He'll never live up to those expectations in Washington, but if you put him as a role player next to Yao and T-Mac, then he really has the chance to develop without all of that pressure. It would be sort of like a parallel to the Eddie in Minny situation.

    Not sure if Washington will go for it. We might have to wait until the end of the season to see where our draft pick lands and try to do a draft day deal. If I'm Washington, I sure wouldn't want to give up a guy that could really help a team who's draft pick I'm holding.
     
  3. rich_argh

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    wouldnt it be nice if we could:

    trade juwan for chandler

    AND

    trade mo for swift(next year)
    oh wait he'll be free agent next year

    well my point is wouldnt it be nice to trade those two for two good players like that? muwahah

    have you guys hear that song "wouldnt it be nice - beachboys" its good!;)
     
  4. IndianPlaya

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    I think we should go for kwame brown. He is not getting much PT at all on the wizards, and has only played in four games thus far this year. His rebounding also does seem a lot better than mo and howards. I just wish we could get him RIGHT NOW. cuz we reli need some help rite freaking now. :(
     
  5. thacabbage

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    I'de trade for Kwame, but I don't think the Rockets would, for a number of reasons:

    1. Gumby and CD both know their jobs are on the line. I don't think they would see an underacheiving youngster as the savior for this team - and their jobs.

    2. Even if Kwame panned out, would the same owner/management that let their 25 year old starting small forward just get away for nothing shell out big money to a player at a position they already have nearly $20 million tied up long term?

    For these reasons, I think you could see a deal like Taylor+Nachbar+#1 for P.J. Brown. It's a deal I'd be completely against, but something I could see the guys running this operation doing. Brown is a veteran Gumby would trust, while they move equal salary in Taylor. The draft pick means nothing to them as essentially those two guys (Gumby and CD) are hanging on for their jobs by the skin of their teeth. They might not even make it to draft night if the team doesn't make the playoffs. Me personally? I'de do NIKE's Kwame deal and avoid stop gap deals like the plague.
     
  6. wireonfire

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    BTW, neither Deng nor Nicioni is PF. Chandler has too much potential and is hyped. So is Swift. That is what makes them hard to get.

    People like Mikki Moore, Loren Woods are much easier to get. Too bad this franchise isn't known for finding good bargains.
     
  7. NIKEstrad

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    Can't happen. Once the season ends, Kwame's a free agent- only way they could trade him would be a sign and trade, and then things would be on completely different terms.

    tcab- No kidding. Partly why I'm not too big on acquiring PJ Brown. It's not what he brings to the team that I'm against, but what it'd mean as far as long term philosophy (lack thereof). The only hope is that Les also sees that this team sorely needs a 3rd star type, and that acquiring a young high lotto pick type (Kwame, Tyson, and Swift were all top-2 picks) at least has the potential for that.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    Ladies and Gentleman, I give you phrases you thought you'd never ever ever hear, courtesy of Mr. Carroll Dawson, Mr. Jeff Van Gundy, Mr. Rudy Tomjonavich, and Mr. Leslie Alexander. Take a bow, gentlemen!!!!
     
  9. Fegwu

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    At least 3 posts by Clutch on one thread? Wow! ;)

    Anyway I trully believe like we have heard from Doc Rocket and The Chron that CD and the Rox front office is currently working hard to feel our immediate needs. It takes two or three to get deals done in NBA and we all know we do not really have anything tradable any other team might want save for 1st round draft picks.

    Can the holes be fix by just one addition? Two? It is really hard to tell. One thing gives me encouragement - that Minny was a ble to survive and stay competitive in spite of being stripped of multiple first round picks. I am now fine with trading away one of more first round picks for now if it can help make our team better now and move those dead weights. Heck our recent first round picks haven't done jack save for Yao - we could not go wrong giving them to a team like LA Clippers that loves hording them or even the expansion Bobcats.
     
  10. arno_ed

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    i was wondering about Giricek. i like his play alot. and he seems to be playing less for utah. I also would love to have chandler, but i think that will be e pipe dream.
    So let us get giricek:D
     
  11. codell

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    if the Bulls were willing to take trash and picks for Chandler, he would have been dealt by now

    In reality, the Bulls philosophy on Chandler is probably very similar to our philsophy with EG ......in that, they value him much more as potential than other team's do, and thats why he stiill hasn't been traded

    If i were the rockets, and feel the need to make a deal to stop the bleeding, Id look at Donyell Marshall instead of Chandler. Toronto has Bosh starting and is giving Marshall only 20 mins a game.

    Marshall is everything the Rockets need in a PF right now: rebounding, plays defense, block shots, and .....AND ....can hit the outside shot.


    its hard to gauge what toronto would want for him
     
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    We need great shooter the most. To open things up for TMac and Yao.
     
  13. crash5179

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    My hope is that we could trade our first plus give Chi some cap relief with our T/E plus one of our PF's for Chandler (one of their choosing).


    I know that would be a long shot but if the Paxon / Chandler relationship is still an obsticle then maybe there is a chance. Maybe just wishfull thinking.

    Also I think Battier is a free agent after this season. Would anyone object to using the entire MLE on him>
     
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    outside of Tmac and Yao, we have nothing they would want except JJ. JJ, 1st and TE... how would that be?
     
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    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Battier is not a FA. He just signed a deal in the offseason to extend him for another 6 years or so.

    I think the ONLY way to get a Chandler is to do what Crash said, we would have to offer our 1st rounder (good chance it will be a lottery pick) plus we would have to take back a big contract.
     
  16. crash5179

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    I would do it.
     
  17. codell

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    THey wouldn't. They already have Rose, Murry and Peterson at the 3.
     
  18. Willis25

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    Hey _ Diop is available if we had an expiring contract to offer Cleveland !

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Actually, he played more minutes early in the season because Posey was injured. Now he is basically splitting time with Posey at SF position.
     
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    Most of the perceptions concerning Chicago and Chandler that I've read here seem to be inaccurate. Regardless of what some of you believe, Chicago is relatively happy with the production Tyson is giving them and have no plans to deal him. The player the Bulls are looking to move is Eddie Curry not Chandler. The only viable way the Rockets, or any team, have to get Tyson is going to be signing him to an offersheet that would be high enough to get Chicago to back out.

    It's conceivable they (Chicago) could deal him, but any such deal would have to require a high amount of risk for any potential suitor, as Paxon will be looking for a good player in return; he will not be looking to deal him for lottery selections. It's widely known that Paxon is not looking to make this team any younger, they are bad enough as is, and most of that is a direct effect of said youth.
     

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