Do you expect the President to call you at home and point out all of the outposts on a satellite map? Came on man...get real. Please point out ONE post where I called anybody a traitor. It doesn't exist. The fact is that these Hollywood actors believe they are so enlightened that they can actually go to Iraq and make an intelligent assessment of Iraqi weapons capability. Frankly, that kind of lunacy makes me ashamed to be part of the same species as that guy. Blah blah blah...it's wrong...blah blah blah...the Frenchies don't like it (of course THEY haven't been under attack)...blah blah blah...it's a war against a religion...blah blah blah...I think glynch forgot to throw the word oppressive into his post just for effect...blah blah blah...it's all about the Republicans...blah blah blah. I don't think I missed anything here. We have a poster (glynch) who doesn't have the sense to admit that the recession has caused a LOT of government expenditures to rise. Nope...of course not...it's allllllllllll about the costs of war. sheesh. Actually a lot of my college classmates are serving in the military currently. You know...the little cadet program at this place called Texas A&M...maybe you've heard of it. Oh now it's alllllllll about politics. News flash...this is no more about politics than when Clinton was firing missles into Iraq the same day that Monica spilled all. In summation...glynch's "point" is that Sean Penn can OBVIOUSLY give us an informed opinion as to whether Iraq has WMD, that the recession has NOTHING to do with the deficit (it's all about the war), that it is all political and about oil...oh and the topper is that it is another form of class warfare against the poor because they serve in the armed forces. You are a nut.
Look at the thread guys. Are you proud of it? So you like to call Sean Penn names while he tries to prevent a war. Real brave. Real intelligent. The pseudo ballsiness of the pack on a bbs. Maybe I should not have responded to such hateful crap. I certainly could not get myself to spend time editing. Cohen and Khan deserve some praise I guess for dignifying an ignorant thread with an intelligent post. Does Sean know if the Iraqis have such weapons? Of course not. Do you guys care if the Iraqi media quoted Sean correctly? Of course not. Do you just want to have a hate fest because he disagrees with you and your idol Dubya? Of course. Will Bush tell the truth about such weapons? Of course not. Are the exsitence of a few of these weapons, years after most of them were destroyed, the issue? Are the existence of these weapons years after we knowlingly supplied him with these weapons or the agents to make them during the period while he was our ally the issue? Of course not. Has Bush and gang said at various times that the issue is really regime change. Of course.
Anyone who thinks that Dubya's impending war against Iraq has nothing to do with oil or the fact that "Saddam tried to kill my Daddy" (an actual quote from the pResident at a John Cornyn fundraiser here in Houston a week before the election) is wearing blinders. "Weapons of mass destruction" is nothing more than a convenient excuse, especially without proof. With that said, I do wish that we would bomb Iraq while Sean Penn is over there. That would clear the way for Robin Wright Penn and I to concieve our love-child. Sean Penn may talk out of his butthole on occasion, but the man has one of the most gorgeous women on the planet as his wife. I want her bad!
First of all, do you honestly think the leader of the free world would lead a country into battle simply to satisfy a personal vendetta? If so, you are more cynical than I. Secondly, the popular opinion is that this war is for oil. Would you please define what you mean by that exactly? We already import a lot of oil from Iraq, so how exactly would a new regime benefit us specifically, instead of just saying 'This war's about oil'.
On the surface, I agree, but after thinking about it, send their non-actor (or rare actor) family members there too. Once we bomb their brother they may get some smart idea and start talking. Nip it in the bud. PS- What would really be lost by including the Arquettes and Baldwins, they are for the most part all freaks any way.
First of all, YES. If I am more cynical than you, then so be it. Secondly, the current administration, in my opinion, is owned and operated by corporate America. Billionaires rule, and Dubya is their tool. The administration is staffed by quite a few people who are beholden to the oil industry. Whoever controls Iraq controls the 4th largest source of oil in the world, and I'm quite sure the Bush Administration would prefer that the control lay in their hands rather than Saddam's. More cynicism? Perhaps, but in light of this administration's behavior, I'm left with nothing else. In my opinion, George W. Bush's behavior as President makes a blowjob from an intern seem like the "nothing much" it really is. I myself would prefer a President getting a hummer in the Oval Office to a President who has the entire nation over a barrel economically and is sticking it to us where the sun doesn't shine.
What's your question? The one about the paper saying Bush was lying? I'm sure he is lying; we have a political system that breeds corruption (regardless of party affiliation). About the best I can say for Bush is that I consider him the lessor of two evils. I do believe Saddam needs to be removed though. By whatever means possible. And although I generally take whatever ANY US president says with a grain of salt, I do believe Saddam has WMD. Personally, I would have had him assassinated long ago, but then again, no one is gonna want me as president. And in a way, I can see why people want to avoid war....even if we decide that's the only way we can acceptably remove Saddam....even if it means burying our collective heads in the sand. War sucks. Innocent people die. I have about as much respect for Sean Penn as I do for Glynch. I'm sure they're both well intentioned, and they're both passionate enough to stand up for what they believe. Those are commendable qualities. But they need to understand that there are more Americans than not who flat out believe Saddam needs to be removed from power. And it appears the political correctness doesn't allow for assassination. And it doesn't look like he'll be voted out any time soon. What does that leave us?
I'm just amazed that so many of you are taking this as the truth, when if the same paper said Bush was lying, everyone would attack the source.
Oh yeah.....DAMMIT! I forgot to address that. I figured that was the point you were trying to make, and silly me, I completely forgot to mention it. I don't think that's the real reason this thread is already two pages in length. I would imagine that most of us take the article about as seriously as we do Sean Penn. The real reason this thread is two pages in length is because it provided a venue for us to discuss this rather volatile subject. I doubt Sean Penn declared Iraq free of WMD, but I do wonder if he's smart enough to realize that he was a lock at becoming a propaganda puppet.
He probably did, but I really believe that he's being good-hearted about the whole thing. Point taken on the rest, however, I just got annoyed with the "let's ship celebrites we don't agree with over there and bomb them".
By "he probably did" I meant he probably knew he'd become a propaganda tool, not that he said Iraq didn't have WMD.
Tell you what...bring Mr. Penn to Houston...tell me where he's going to be...give me a microphone...and I'll gladly call him a moron publicly. Happy? Having a guy like Sean Penn go over there and allow himself to be used by the Iraqi "media" is the WORST thing for the anti-war effort. It just looks bad. You should be pissed too. But I guess you can't see that and nobody will ever get you to open up that steel trap of a mind you have. Before anything happens we are going through the UN...I love it...the left first wants Bush to go through the UN...so he is...now that it looks like it may still lead to war the left is saying...well Bush is lying. If we learned anything from the Clinton administration it is that lying by the President is ok...right?
If we learned anything from the Clinton administration, it is that all Presidents lie, but very few get caught.
If we learned anything from the Clinton Admin. it;s that Monica Lewinsky was a smart intern. She didn't just give anyone a BJ.... She gave the president a BJ. There's a future in it.
RM95, the voice of reason. Why would an Iraqi state-run propaganda rag accurately report of Sean Penn's visit and statements? If it were at least the AP, I would have some confidence in the report. But everyone is so eager to pounce on Sean Penn that they'd use an Iraqi paper to do it.
