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Scum of the Earth: John Edwards and the Trial Lawyers

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Jul 12, 2004.

  1. Batman Jones

    Batman Jones Member

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    Nice edit, Jorge. I see that, even after Will called you out, you're continuing the silly tactic of intentionally misleading by willful omission.

    Of course you know very well I was only mocking StupidMoniker's posting of the Communist flag to once again fling poo at advocates of national health care. I'm not like you guys. Pretty much all my fouls are retaliatory and you know that too.

    You used to be half good at this stuff. Did you suffer a concussion or something? I seriously don't understand what's going on with you.
     
  2. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    I was vindicated in that thread, in case you missed it.

    Are you denying that you sling poo? Oh my!
     
  3. Cohen

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    There are many examples of trial lawyers reaping millions in questionnable cases.

    There are, I would suspect, just as many cases where corporations have done some very bad things either intentionally or through unacceptable negligence, many of which have led to harm and even death of innocent thrid parties. Many (if not most instances) cannot even make it to trial for lack of evidence.

    Both sides are in the 'right' in some cases and wrong in others. To make one-sided comments about these necessary checks-and-balances reflects a bias that renders one an ignoramus.
     
  4. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    Wow, it's a real trip to scan through this thread and only see the responses to Trader_J and quotes of TJ. It's really kinda fun, although I can see how R2K would get bent out of shape by people quoting Yetti... "I'm trying not to read this crap and you keep quoting him!!"

    Trippy indeed.
     
  5. Batman Jones

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    Um, no you weren't. You were about as vindicated in that thread as you were successful in all those threads where you lost and claimed victory. And, as in those threads, saner heads got bored with arguing with a crazy person.

    No, I'm not denying it. I do assert though that I don't like doing it, I regret when I take the bait from you and others and I'd much prefer a less adverserial forum to discuss these issues. Only a few of the differences between the two of us.
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    So you would prefer to make it less adversarial by removing your opponent? Niiiiice....

    And you are the poor victim that gets baited whereas the opponent is always the bad guy? :rolleyes:
     
  7. Batman Jones

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    Jackie:

    I guess I ought to go ahead and take you off ignore. You're the only one on the list and you post so much about me I go ahead and read your stuff half the time anyway. I'm not a victim. No one here is. But I will say it's a little more difficult to have sincere discussions of the issues we talk about here when people like Jorge and you follow people around needling them. Your obsession with MacBeth borders on stalking and Jorge's reliable antagonism make it difficult for anyone to the right of Christ to behave well in here. If you don't think I try to, you're not paying attention. I don't regret flinging poo at you or Jorge or bama (though we've recently agreed to try and play nice), just because, well, when in Rome... I do regret the spats I've had with basso and giddyup and Refman and a few others. I take full blame for my part in those and I'll do my level best not to repeat them. Meanwhile, on the other side, you've got a guy who proudly trumpets his ability to pick a fight by calling it psychological warfare. It's not even close.
     
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    Curiosity always got the best of me, too :D. That's why I stopped putting people on the ignore list.

    I just think that you think you are a better person because you believe your views to represent the "good" side. Therefore you talk like you can argue from some higher moral ground. That is a kind of arrogance that you might not even be aware of.

    It's the same mindset when you say "these guys are bad (T_J, me, whoever), so my flinging poo at them is justified." You don't realize that that makes you a hypocrit in that context.

    Plus, I think "poor" MacBeth can speak for himself :) (even though he seemed to enjoy the little pity party you threw for him recently) :D.
     
  9. Batman Jones

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    Jackie:

    There are issues on which I do feel a moral superiority. They are racism, sexism and other bigotry. If that makes me arrogant, then I am. On other issues (abortion, affirmative action, the economy, taxes, the deficit, the environment, education, separation of church and state) I respect the differences of opinion and can appreciate a sincere difference of opinion when it's expressed respectfully. When I fail to be respectful I am not proud of that (like some are); I regret it. And I usually try to come to an understanding with the poster I argued with. There are others who don't and, when it comes to flinging poo, in that way I do feel like a superior poster to someone who is proud of getting a rise out of other people and never once has sought understanding with them. If that makes me arrogant, so be it.

    As for the MacBeth thing, I wasn't pitying him. He can handle himself and anyway I don't pity anyone on a message board. It wasn't pity -- it was just that your weird obsession was getting annoying. I was standing up for my preference not to read the same boring digs over and over again, especially when he never even fought back -- not for anything to do with him.
     
  10. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Um... before Batman tries to permanently derail my thread with his poo flings, back on topic:


    http://www.hillnews.com/morris/070704.aspx
    Look for the dirty laundry in Edwards’s closet

    The cheering that surrounds John Kerry’s choice of John Edwards for vice president may fade quickly if the Bush campaign’s negative researchers are on the ball.

    Edwards has a real vulnerability in the way he raised campaign money during his abortive presidential bid.

    The North Carolina senator and former trial lawyer leaned heavily on his former peers for campaign funding. More than half of his donations came from trial lawyers, and 22 of his top 25 contributions came from his former colleagues at the bar.

    While trial lawyers will not win any popularity contests, their support of Edwards, per se, will not do him much harm.

    Trial lawyers are no less popular than the oil-company types who fund so much of the Bush campaign. But there is a strong indication that many of these funds may have been contributed illegally.

    Trial lawyers are usually quite wealthy men whose firms are often not much more than a collection of secretaries, paralegals and processing personnel.

    They sit atop these litigation factories where clerks process cases, computers encode them and low-level attorneys try to settle them out of court. Accustomed to giving large sums to political campaigns, these trial lawyers do not blink at writing six-figure checks for their favorite candidates.

    But they are not used to hard-money requirements. Their usual soft-money donations to party committees and the like are easy for them to handle, but donations to a presidential campaign have to be limited to $2,000 per person. And there lies the weakness of the trial bar — finding enough people in their orbits rich enough to give $2,000 to a candidate.

    For corporate attorneys, it is not hard to pass the hat around the firm and round up a sizeable sum. But in trial lawyers’ shops, the average clerk cannot usually ante up the funds to donate to a political campaign.

    There is evidence that Edwards may have circumvented the campaign-finance law by bundling contributions from law clerks and paralegals who did not actually make the donations from their own funds.

    Tab Turner, for example, the eminent Little Rock trial lawyer, donated $200,000 to Edwards’s campaign and his 527 committees. Investigators interviewed the clerks in his firm in whose names many of the donations were made. Slate magazine reported, on Aug. 29, 2003, that “one clerk who gave $2,000 to Edwards said that Turner had ‘asked for people to support Edwards’ and assured them that ‘he would reimburse us.’”

    Edwards had to return $10,000 to several Turner employees and attorney Tab claimed that he did not know it was illegal to reimburse his employees for their donations.

    One or two illegal contributions will not bring Edwards down, but it is easy to speculate that his donor list may be rife with such tales. The pressure on trial lawyers to come up with funds for the struggling Edwards campaign was intense, and many trial lawyers may have fallen victim to the temptation to use straw donors to make their contributions.

    Bush’s negative-research people need to comb through the donor lists and interview each of the contributors to find out how many were putting up their bosses money.

    Edwards could blow up in Kerry’s face, just as Geraldine Ferraro did in Walter Mondale’s and Thomas Eagleton did in McGovern’s. People look to the vice-presidential selection as an indicator of what kind of appointments a presidential candidate would make should he win the election. Edwards sends all the right signals — a Southerner, a moderate, a charismatic and caring senator. But should he be tripped up over campaign donations, he could become a big liability very, very quickly.

    The Edwards designation opens the door for the Bush negative researchers — and they are really good at exploiting such opportunities. Really good.
     
  11. Batman Jones

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    Mea culpa, Conquistador. Far be it from an angry lunatic fringe liberal like myself to derail a thread devoted to proving a vice presidential candidate's the scum of the earth. Keep preaching, brother.
     
  12. Cohen

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    :D
     
  13. AroundTheWorld

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    And by the way, I would like to express my disagreement with all this lawyer-bashing :D.
     
  14. Oski2005

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    Take your logical and levelheaded argument and shove it:)
     
  15. RIET

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    The only lawyers I really despise are the those who pursue Shareholder Class Action Lawsuits. The majority of those cases are ridiculous and only benefit the attorneys.
     
  16. SamFisher

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    Among the worst of the worst.
     
  17. KingCheetah

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  18. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    I don't know which is more hilarious:

    (1) the pathetic existence of this thread.*
    (2) the continued, non-locked existence of this thread.

    It's sort of like watching teletubbies. You're all like "WTF! How could anybody watch this" and then you're all like getting comfy there in front of the tele, tubby.

    (* it does not even merit a response. But maybe we can elicit another bizarro post and marvel further that the thread is unlocked. Anyone want to talk about the impact of OIL EXECUTIVES and DEFENSE CONTRACTERS on the planet and the human race in particular? Oh my! Let's see trial lawyers "victimize" (sic) incredibly wealthy corporate entities, while OIL EXECUTIVES victimize people who enjoy breathing air and DEFENSE CONTRACTORS provide weapons that rend people into tiny dead pieces of organic matter. ******* trial lawyers! Yea!)

    KC, keep them coming -- er, bring them on!
     
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  19. Mulder

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    Here's a few more trial lawyers...Maybe one day I can be half as bad as these other scum bag lawyers...

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  20. AroundTheWorld

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    Why fling thepoo?
    Why fart thee?
    What fomfotable the?!

    :confused:
     

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