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Scrub Is Back WTF Fire Kubiak

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by DJboutit, Nov 17, 2013.

  1. Nick

    Nick Contributing Member

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    I agree.... just trying to explain the rationale for the decision.
     
  2. Scarface281

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    What are you talking about? Schaub was never even blitzed because they new he was not going to go deep on him. If Keenum is not blitzed, he torches defenses. Texans need to beef up to the line more than anything.
     
  3. Nick

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    That's not really true.

    Schaub does get the ball out to the hot read with more regularity... its something Keenum hasn't learned how to do very well yet.

    Still doesn't mean Keenum should have been benched.
     
  4. yuisakata

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    It seems increasingly likely that Kubiak deliberately let blitzes get to Keenum just so that he could justify putting Schaub back on the field.
     
  5. Nick

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    Yeah, that's also not going to be true.

    Blitzes are very effective against young QB's... and if they don't ever figure out how to combat them, they usually end up getting "shellshocked" or start short-arming passes after one too many hits.
     
  6. Mr. Space City

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    yet, this team had the same problem last year with schaub. :confused:
     
  7. DREAM ON!

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    All it shows is that Kubiak has no faith in Keenum. Which leads me to wonder why he ever started him anyway.

    Heard Andre Ware a few weeks back say there would be a mutiny if Schaub was ever brought back. This week will be interesting. Andre already got mad

    Keenum to me, needs a spread offense like G.B. or N.O. These 40-50 yard bombs every other play just make it way to easy to blitz Keenum.
     
  8. otis thorpe

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    Is he living vicariously through him
     
  9. vator

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    Funny thing is (and by funny, I mean not actually funny at all)...Schaub comes in the game and feeds us a heaping spoon full of the same s***. Check downs, field goals, and passes right into the hands of waiting defensive players. I'm done...
     
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  10. mick fry

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    Only glitch in your argument is that Schaub has proven to be the worst in the face of a blitz and he is a veteran. He doesnt audible out of a play that he knows will get blown up by a blitz, this may be a kubiak decision that doesnt allow a qb to think for themselves. Schaub is the definition of "shellshocked and a short armer".
     
  11. Nick

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    You're a little hyperbolish on this. It wasn't that long ago that he was taking hits from Mays (with ear taken off) and completing passes in faces of blitzes. No QB excels against a jail-break blitz that the O-line doesn't partly pick up.

    In the end, defenses don't blitz Schaub as much because he does complete the underneath/hot-read with regularity... far more so than the deep ball.

    Case has shown the ability to hit the deep ball... but now has to improve on the underneath stuff.

    Still doesn't mean a switch should have been made.
     
  12. Major

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    Defenses don't blitz Schaub that much, but he hasn't been great recently when they did.

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ramblings/2013/three-cone-drill-day-reckoning


    3. There is no reason to play zone coverage against the Texans

    A lot of Schaub's early success against the Seahawks was a product of zones. The Texans actually have a relatively solid group of receivers, and of course Andre Johnson is just about always open, as he is Andre Johnson. Once Seattle switched to more man concepts in the second half, and sent more rushers at Schaub, he struggled.

    As we pointed out in Football Outsiders Almanac 2013, Schaub had a problem with the big blitz the last few years:

    Houston opponents may want to consider big-blitzing Matt Schaub more often. Last year, Schaub only faced six or more pass rushers on a league-low 4.5 percent of pass plays, but the Texans gained only 5.3 yards per pass on these plays. In 2011, it was also rare for opponents to big-blitz Schaub, while he had only 5.0 yards per pass.

    While we haven't begun putting together the charting outputs in an organized fashion yet, anecdotally this has continued to be a problem for the Texans this year. The hope was that DeAndre Hopkins would change that all on his own, but this was not to be. While I've critiqued Schaub pretty heavily here, it should be pointed out that hot routes do involve the coaching staff, and Gary Kubiak has a well-earned reputation in the local media for designing routes that are short of the sticks on third down.
     
  13. DAROckets

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    why fire him now ... we might win a game or two with a new coach .. Gary's a proven loser , might as well keep him around for the draft pick and fire him the day the season ends . My fear is Wade gets named interim HC and somehow sticks .
     
  14. Summer Song Giver

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    Fire Kubiak with like gasoline and a match
     
  15. SWTsig

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    That's not why Gary needs to be canned tomorrow. He needs to be canned tomorrow to make sure the locker room doesn't completely implode. Think about it - you have Mr. Texan himself, AJ, hinting at asking for a trade. You can hear the frustration in your all world DE Watt.

    Gary needs to be fired to prove to the players - both current and future ones - that this franchise isn't completely inept. To hell w who the interim coach may be or what happens record-wise.

    This franchise just needs to save face before they do irreparable harm.
     
  16. mick fry

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    Does Kubiak make the Schaub decision if hes not protected by the booth?
     
  17. Nick

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    Why not?
     
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    Probably not.
     
  19. ipaman

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    schaub, how dare you get into andre, who the fack do you think you are you worthless POS!!!! fack you, i hope you never wear a texans jersey again!!!!
     
  20. morpheus133

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    You can't really blame Schaub for being Schaub at this point, it's all on Gary for putting him in there. Of course Gary has been telling us it is on him for years now. It's actually a blessing that Schaub didn't some how lead them to a touchdown yesterday, which would have sealed him as unquestioned starter for the rest of the season. We need to see what Keenum can do, and get him to learn and progress as far as he is capable. I'd get it if Keenum had been playing like Schaub, but his first career pick and a slow 2nd half means bench him? As if we haven't had dozens of terrible 2nd halfs with Schaub before?

    I get trying to win the game, but going back to your record setting consecutive pick 6 throwing QB makes no sense.
     

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