Thanks, that was really profound... Man, looking at that draft, there sure were a lot of other options we could have chosen besides drafting Carr that would have made us a better team. How about trading down for more picks and taking Bryant McKinnie? Of course, hindsight is always 20/20.
I also wanted peppers. but that's neither here nor there, maybe mario williams can be that good. its just no way I would have passed a good football player playing a premium position who is an incredible athlete. he actually started for the n.c. basketball squad, and was one of their best players. the guy is just a stud. I also question the logic of picking a qb to start your franchise. although carr's toughness has been proven but its just a lot for a young qb to go through, and then they didn't even consider letting him sit on the bench. stud qbs like carson palmer are even asked to ride he bench for a year when they get drafted by established teams.
The Panthers in their first year drafted Kerry Collins in the top 5 (Dom Capers being the head coach). The same year Jacksonville went with Mark Brunell as their QB in only his 2nd season. Both teams with those QBs went to their conference championships games the following year (still unbelievable ). Looking back yes players turned out to be better than Carr but choosing a QB wasnt that terrible a move. They supposedly weren't trying to build a team to win immediately like the past expansion teams but to win soon and then to keep on winning later...For that they should have drafted better the following years. I'm not a Carr lover but he's one guy they possibly should not have gotten amongst the many other moves that shouldnt have been made.
Oregon State is a Pac10 school. You guys are going to laugh, but I wanted Joey Harrington. If I was GM, I would select Defensive players in the expansion draft, and then draft offense from the college draft. Atleast the defense would be good, and keep you in the game.
Dont feel bad....Mel Kiper said Joey Harrington was the next coming of Joe Montana.....which is the same thing he said about Rick Mirer.
I believe there was no salary cap, and the nfl has made it harder on expansion teams after that year, as far as picking players. I don't know the exact rule changes but they didn't like carolina and jacksonville becoming good so quickly.
i wanted peppers; the guy was a beast. but capers didn't - he didn't "fit" his system. it was the first, "what the...?" moment in franchise history. that really bothered me. a guy like peppers - you design a system for him; made me wonder if capers had the capacity to adapt on the fly... and, of course, he didn't. but you guys are dismissing how dynamic carr was - good looking kid, smart, personable, never got into any trouble and, oh yeah, had an absolutely monster year at fresno state. monster. he was by no means a consolation prize; he was a legit prospect turned over to a gaggle of clowns who went about systematically ruining him. it's sad, really.
That's the thing I really hated about the 3-4. How many guys did we pass over because they "didn't fit the system?" Derek Johnson, anyone? How many guys did we draft and then force to play out of position? Peek and Babin anyone? Sorry to derail the thread, but I'm am very anti-3-4. I don't think it works in the long term unless you have a Lawrence Taylor, Derek Thomas or Greg Lloyd. OK, off my soapbox now.
The Steelers have been running it since Cowher got there, Pats haven't done too bad either...it can work, it's all about coaching & talent evaluation. Texans had neither.
I posted then erased that the Texans passed on Derrick Johnson but the Chiefs chose him at 15 right before the Texans picked Travis Johnson at 16. So he wasnt even there for them to get. The Texans improved the first 3 years, as did Carr each year. He wasn't an All Pro but he was at least a move the chains kinda guy. Then the bottom fell out last year for the whole entire team. It would appear incompetent handling of the team is what did them in rather than just poor QB play...He has developed bad habits though and its a bit troubling that they're still carrying over.
I have Oregon State on my list, I think you mean Oregon. But those are the teams Carr played against his last year, as you can see, they aren't exactly defensive powerhouses. I also wanted Harrington for a little while but Carr was our guy and I liked the pick for what is was worth, still thought Peppers was the best way to go however.
Great point, hopefully Kubes can undo the damage and he can turn into to something good. Young was tapped in Tampa, and ended up blossoming once he got with a good coaching staff in SF, maybe we can hope for the same with Carr.
Agreed...I've seen way too many "didn't fit the system" type draft moves by Casserly and Capers, it's the exact recipe on how not to draft. Ironically, some people believe we didn't select Bush because he doesn't fit the system, but I think it's more in the lines of improving the defense as well as Kubiak not needing a stud RB to produce. But like you said, as a brand new franchise, you don't need to follow a strict system. Peppers was the best defensive prospect to come out for a long time, and he actually lived up to the hype (hopefully Mario will as well). But they did the same thing with Derrick Johnson last season, but hey, at least we have our 3rd string DT. The Texans have passed on a lot of talent to find players that "fit" their system, it's a real shame.
What's a bigger shame is that the system wasn't all that great to begin with. This team overachieved the first three years, and it clouded their judgement on how bad of a team they really were. I'll always proclaim 19-10... but winning that game was the beginning of the end for this regime, as it gave everybody a bunch of big heads, and false confidence.
The other Johnson may end up starting this year if Weaver plays DE, But DJ and Ryans would have looked so good together.
