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[Scotus] Hobby Lobby wins case

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Jun 30, 2014.

  1. Bandwagoner

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    Based on rulings like this what stops Hobby Lobby from not hiring gay people based on their religious beliefs?
     
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    Do you know any specifics about the ruling?
     
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    nothing stops them from hiring gay people.
     
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    Well, these numbers have grown right along side the hispanic numbers... sooo... who knows.
     
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    you guys are very selective in which posts you respond.

    corporations want to be people when they can benefit from it, but don't want to be held responsible for their actions the same way actual people would.
     
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    No it didn't.

    It said the decision itself concerns only the contraceptive mandate (lol), that HHS has not substantiated the threat of these procedures falling under the same ruling (lol), and that each other these procedures would be evaluated separately/on their own merit. (slightly less lol but hey waste more taxpayer money I guess?)
     
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    This ruling has nothing to do with what you're talking about.
     
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    Unless they included illegals and 1 year olds in that poll, you don't really have a point. It could easily be a dip in religious affiliation until the changes of a different demographic shift are felt.
     
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    http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...g-hot-bitter-tears-and-it-should-david-french

     
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    The rationale behind this is that there's already a specific contraception exception for other religious entities in the current law. Therefore, this mandate doesn't meet the test of being the simplest necessary solution when there is another one available as-is. That is not the case for any of the examples you suggested - therefore, this ruling doesn't open the door to any of those challenges.

    Those challenges may come, but it will be on their own merits and based on a different legal rationale from anything in this decision. The easiest rationale - that the government has no compelling interest to regulate these things - has likely been taken off the table.
     
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    Can you point to me to evidence that one year olds are against birth control? Besides, neither illegals or one year olds are the "largest growing group" in the United States.
     
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    http://latinainstitute.org/es/inthe...d-sex-ed-enjoy-wide-Latino-support-poll-finds

    79% of Hispanic people support contraception. Try yet again.

    http://latinainstitute.org/es/inthe...d-sex-ed-enjoy-wide-Latino-support-poll-finds

    Almost eight-in-ten Latinos (79 percent) support contraception. Eighty five percent of Hispanics believe in expanding access to birth control for women who don’t currently have it, and 64 percent believe young women 16 and older should have access to birth control methods.

    Moreover, 64 percent of Latinos believe religiously affiliated colleges and hospitals should be required to provide their employees with birth control at no cost, differing with the Catholic Church and conservative leaders who publicly opposed this recently.
     
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    Which is under the national and even catholic average and this population is exploding.
     
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    I don't think you understand basic statistics. Here's your failed claim:

    The largest growing group in the united states find birth control religiously offensive so I wouldn't be on that working out.

    Assuming hispanics are the group you are referring to, then 79% supporting it does not mean that the group finds birth control offensive. Just accept you made up a claim you knew nothing about, admit you're wrong, and move on.
     
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    I already explained this as was told that I talk out both sides of my mouth for the effort.
     
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    Let's just say I'm not going to bet on that.
     
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    The 79% is a minority of the hispanics we will have in 15 years. It excludes the over 11 million illegals and hispanics under 18. These hispanics are different in that they are either foreign born or twice as likely to have a foreign born parent. Their views will be different and it will be the majority.
     

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