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SCOTUS and Affordable Care Act

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Jun 25, 2012.

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What will the SCOTUS Rule

  1. Strike Down the Entire Law

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  2. Uphold the Entire Law

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  3. Strikedown key components of the law, but allow the rest to stand

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  4. I abstain, courteously.

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  1. mc mark

    mc mark Contributing Member

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    As well they should

    Providing healthcare shouldn't be about making money.
     
  2. Classic

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    Nice move.

    For-profit medicine/treatment teeters on the edge of ethics & morality at all times. Very tough industry to crack the established big money players because holistic & generic alternatives don't really have concentrated lobbying efforts or the attorney firepower to fight the big boys when they challenge. Fortunately also for the big boys, their stocks are held in the private portfolios of every politician, the Clintons showed that:
     
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    I had to read this several,times to make sure you had actually posted this. Most doctors come out of school with a staggering student debt. They sacrificed along the way in order to get that knowledge and training. They have to pay large malpractice premiums and staff salaries.

    Now ey should practice their profession for free? WTF? You know this is not a hobby. This is how they earn a living.

    Are there rich doctors? Yup. It is not, fr the most part, the lap of luxury it used to be.
     
  4. Northside Storm

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    That's going to change, I think...the generic industry is starting to gear up. For all the power the brands used to wield, the patent cliff will dilute that all away.

    [​IMG]

    Really, I think if Big Pharma's power is going to be broken, it's going to happen soon...and it's going to happen pretty fast.
     
  5. mc mark

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    Then we need to change the expectations of what it means to be a doctor and provide avenues to those that want to be but can't afford it. I would even be willing to forgive student debt for those that want to go into medicine.

    Profit margins should not be an issue in healthcare. No one said anything about practicing for free.
     
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    There's no reason doctors need to be paid any less under a healthcare system that is accessible to more people.
     
  7. tallanvor

    tallanvor Contributing Member

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    education is important too, far too important to be tainted by capitalism. Why don't teachers just volunteer their services? Educating shouldn't be about making money.
     
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  8. mc mark

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    You are absolutely right! Everyone in the country should be afforded a free college education. And again, no one made any comment about people working for free. Please learn to read critically.
     
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    yes you did. That's what volunteering means. Please learn to write.
     
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    mc mark Contributing Member

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    Please show me anywhere where I used the term "volunteer" in referring to doctors or teachers. If you can't we can only assume you are a liar.

    TIA
     
  11. tallanvor

    tallanvor Contributing Member

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    'volunteering' and here

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=7092309&postcount=501

    you got dooped by your ThinkProgress piece (why you would read that, I have no idea). You read 'at no extra charge' and didn't think it through. The services aren't free so somebody, somewhere is paying.
     
  12. rhadamanthus

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    Amusingly, tallanvor is the one who said "volunteer". But you did kind-of endorse it. Maybe not intentionally.
     
  13. mc mark

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    God you are a simpleton

    What doctors are paid in SOCIALIZED England


    There are around 45,000 hospital consultants who are paid between £74,504 a year and £100,446 a year.

    Salaries for the UK's 42,000 GPs vary from an average of £103,000 a year for partners in practices to anything between £53,781 and £81,158 for GPs employed by Primary Care Trusts.

    Britain’s 65,000 trainee doctors start on £23,533 a year rising across 12 pay bands to £65,392, while the UK’s 15,000 specialty doctors start on £36,807 rising to £68,638.



    Now does that look like they are working for free?
     
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    If you could get out of your securely middle class cocoon and or stop the FOX habit you would realize that doctors do a lot of volunteer work for the 50 million uninsured. You would also snap to the fact that when the uninsured go to emergency rooms you wind up paying and if for instance they wind up in the intensive care unit when simple access to insuline would have prevented it, you and the rest of us pay a lot,lot more.
     
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    Perhaps some specialists.

    That being said, the folks in finance are much, much more uselessly overpaid in comparison to their contribution to society.
     
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  16. Classic

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    The understatement of the year. :cool:
     
  17. tallanvor

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    No. That's why it goes against this comment


    Not necessarily

    Saving money at the expense of individual freedom. You can justify taking away many choices from citizens with that logic.
     
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    For anyone who cares, there is a hearing on the ACA effects on Texas going on right now. I believe you can watch the video from the Senate's website. I'm the goofy looking guy with the awesome tie... : )
     
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    Republican Congressman loses his mind; Compares Birth Control Mandate To Pearl Harbor, 9/11


    Criticizing President Barack Obama's health care reform law on Wednesday, Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Pa.) likened the requirement that private insurance plans provide contraception coverage to two of the most devastating attacks on American soil.

    "I know in your mind, you can think of the times America was attacked," he said at a press conference on Capitol Hill. "One is Dec. 7, that's Pearl Harbor Day. The other is Sept. 11, and that's the day the terrorists attacked. I want you to remember Aug. 1, 2012, the attack on our religious freedom. That is a day that will live in infamy, along with those other dates."
     

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