Scottie Pippen demands to be traded

I wonder if we would be able to lure Rod Strickland away from Washington if Payton doesn't work out. With Richmond trying to leave and Calbert Cheaney gone already, the Wizards don't seem to be getting better. And they remain a terrible team every year, so Strickland can't be too happy, unless he just has no desire to win. I don't know too much about him, except that his salary is about $10 mil, so he would work in a three way trade. And the Rockets were interested in him a few years ago, so they must like something about him.

 

All this negativity towards Pippen is way too personal...I mean come on now, if YOU had to choose between living in Southern California versus here, would you not be in the same mind-set as Pip? This team was headed nowhere with him, so just ship him off, and then pray the Rockets can lure Timmy D a little east on I-10 next summer.

 

Has anyone outside of KRIV actually confirmed this? Until then, I'll hold off on the Pippen Bashing. The biggest issue I see, is outside of Shaq, who could the Laker's offer that the Rockets would accept? Robert Horry and Glen Rice is freaking ridiculuous.

 

What a looser. I'd rather have Payton anyway. Rudy will come up with something. I hope Jerry West is willing to part with some real talent because if he can't, this deal ain't going to happen. Ya'll are right, a third team is going to have to be involved. It's good speculation that it will be Seatle, but who knows. I say we must aquire Payton or Kobe somehow in the deal or it's nothing. I'd put that ultimatem out there right now for Pip and Zen Master Phil to chew on.

 

I could have swore I remember something about Pips and Jackson's relationship not being all that great. Remember the incident in the playoffs with Kukoc. How could Jackson want someone on his team that doesnt want to be in the game because the ball is not coming to him. He was a joke then and still is a joke to this day. After only 1 yr of cheering for him I am officially retired from the Pippen fan club. See ya.

 

Give 'em hell CLUTCH!!!

This whole fiasco has made me sick to my damn stomach. I have lost ALL my respect for this guy Pippen. I thought that he would at least have the sincerity and integrity to want to stay a while longer. But, ironically no.....he doesn't even have the balls or work ethic to stick it out with a team that he supposedly calls his own.

I have now come to the conclusion that Scottie Pippen is just another ageing, b****ing, false, over-paid phony with absolutely NO loyalty to anyone but himself and probably his bank ( I even doubt that now though). I say we SHOULD get rid of this guy as soon as possible, because I for one could NOT stand one more season of this whining and underachieving excuse for a man.

To put it bluntly: Scottie Pippen is a steaming pile of camel sh*t laying on the freeway that someone needs to clean up. He needs to go and go NOW. Jeff's 3 way deal would be perfect. The only problem being Seattle. Would they be willing to part with a talent such as Payton? The ONLY way would be if he demanded a trade. Interesting possibility.

I once supported Pippen, even through his poor performances and jive sessions, but I can now confidently say that he CAN and probably WILL go to HELL!!! I mean, playing for the Lakers and Jerry West must be the closest thing on this earth to actually experiencing it, right?!!

Pathetic Pippen........Pathetic


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KANE is PISSED more than usual.....

 

If Pippen wants out so bad, then let's trade him...

To the Wizards for recently acquired Ike Austin

Or to the Nuggets straight up for Antonio McDyess, who we should have signed in the first place!!

But, by all means, DON'T TRADE HIM TO THE FAKERS!!!!

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HOW SWEET IT WAS (AND COULD BE AGAIN)!!!!!!!!!!

 

I believe that the Rockets hold some leverage if they plan on trading Pippen. If the Fakers want him that bad, then shell out some players.

After the dust has settled, if the Rockets cannot obtain Payton via 3-way trade(s), then we should consider rebuilding. Don't get me wrong, I want to contend, but at what price? Why should the Rockets receive Faker players with long contracts that they didn't want (unless its Kobe)??? This would only keep them over the cap for a longer period.

If this trade happens, Barkley is gone! If we can't get a bonafide player in return, we should obtain players who are in their last year of their contracts. Then by next summer, we'll have some cap room to dangle in front of Duncan & Hill's eyes.

Heck, maybe we can trade the Fakers we get to obtain 1st round picks?? I don't know. I can't believe this is happening. I just hope the Rocks don't give in to a wimpy deal.

So the million question is....If we can't obtain a impact player through this deal, should we start the rebuilding process?? Keep in mind that I favor keeping Dream...

Ciao!

 

I would love a Pippen for Payton and Horry deal. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
In fact, I would support a Payton for Pippen deal -- straight up. Anything more is gravy. I wasn't impressed with Pippen's defense last year -- constantly torched by every small forward in the league. I'm not going to get personal with him -- ship him if he wants to go, but let's bring the glove to town.
We need a guard who can take it to the hole and play stiffling D. We need a player that is aggressive -- something our team lacked last year.

 

I think everyone's first choice would be any deal that gets us Gary Payton, but I can't see Seattle making that deal. Seattle is going to do everything possible to keep Payton happy. He told them to sign a guy "like Vernon Maxwell", so Seattle went out and signed Maxwell. Payton is tight with Vin Baker, so Seattle is going to resign Baker for the max allowed. I don't think that Seattle (or anyone for that matter) is going to want to give up a superstar for Rice when he can walk away after next season. Rice is supposedly saying he wants a $14M starting salary on a new contract. The Rockets are in a tough spot. If they can't swing an acceptable 3 way deal, I say keep Pippen (even if he does pout) before you take Rice for him. You can always trade him later in the year or next season.

 

I hope that the Rockets hold out and don't give up one of our "Superstars" for anything less than another superstar. The Lakers will be nearly unstoppable with Shaq, Scottie, and Kobe. The Rox must hold out for either:

1) Having Kobe as part of the deal.
2) A multi-team deal which nets us another "Superstar"

I now have another reason to hate LA. (I am up to 632.)

 

Jeff,

There's a couple of problems with your proposed deal:

1. The combined salaries of Rice/Fisher/Horry are more like $16M. Rice $7M, Horry $5M and Fisher $4M+ (he just signed a new 7year/$30M) deal.

2. Since he was resigned (and it wasn't a sign and trade deal), I don't believe that LA can include Fisher in a trade for 6 months. Same reason that the Rockets couldn't include Harrington,Bullard,Eddie or Maloney in a deal during the season last year.

3. Since the Rockets are over the cap, they wouldn't be able to accept $16M in salary (Payton's $11M and Horry's $5M) if they were only giving up $14M in salary (Pippen's $14M). We don't have the available $2M in cap room that would be required.

 

"pippen, go to hell" Come on fellas, don't overdo it. basketball-wise he was clearly unhappy last season. I could understand his position IF Rudy told him the team's supposedly changes in offensive strategy won't be happening this season. that would explain the non-involvement of the Rockets in the trade-frenzy this post-season.
Then, I would too, wanted to leave this place. Remember, he has no real Houston-heart. To him, like most people in the NBA, it's just business combined with pleasure. Where can I make my money and where can I play the way I want to play. If this scenario is in effect, don't diss Pip too hard.

If not, if he still demands a trade while Rudy is still willing to change the offense than he is the a**hole y'all say he is. He would be an important piece of the puzzle and without him, well we just have to dump the ball inside again.

Let him go. This will mean we for sure won't win a championship now or in the 2000-2001 season. Whoever we get in return (Payton, Rice, Anderson), it will take time for them to fit in. Especially dominant players like Payton. He will be in the same situation Pippen was in last year. Will the Rockets be willing to construct their offense to the quality of a newcomer, or does the newcomer has to fit in the existing system in order to win now? With Bark en Dream still around, I don't know. Maybe it's wise to let Chuck go also. Let's rebuild around one of the premier newcomers... and win later.

 

Clutch is right: this is a question of character. You don´t sign with a team for half a year and when you see a better scenario, jump off the train.

But what do you expect from a guy who beat up his fiancee? Character?

However, I have lost the little respect for him which was left...he, indeed, is a whiner.

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Didn't Horry say he didn't want to play in Houston again? Would Devan George or Rick Fox be any more attractive to the Rockets?

 

Good point Jovi.

LA is the city that let O.J. beat his wife over and over isn't it?

Sorry, that was WAY below the belt, and I'll really feel sorry for it if Pippen ends up staying.

 

The deal should be Pippen and Barkley for Kobe and Rice. All four of the players are good, and all four of the players have baggage. Barkley's still a FA, so he can be signed and traded for whatever amount to make the $$$ come out correctly. One way or the other, Barkley and Rice will probably not be with their respective teams again after next year, and both Kobe and Pippen are good but immature players who will probably be with their respective teams for awhile--I don't see any of them growing up any time soon. Anyway, it seems like an even trade to me. Part of me says that we should just bite the bullet though, and take whatever we can get (which is probably what we'll have to do). Pippen is highly overrated, old, apparently still injured, and a wishy-washy child. More than that though, he's way overpaid. It seems that no matter what we get, we'll--in a way--come out ahead; after all, they will have to send us something for all that money Pippen's getting. God, I hope they can at least ship off Maloney with Pippen.

 

I think I'm happy Pippen demanded a trade: I've never liked him (being a Bull), and now that he's demanded a trade, I won't have to learn to like him. This move does seem perfectly consistent with his character: he's a coward. It's paramount to admitting he can't take it to the next level by himself.

That said, while fans can bash him all they like, I really hope the Rockets can put their personal feelings (betrayal, etc.) behind them and approach this as a business decision. Wanting to wreck revenge on Pippen can only hurt us. We've got a guy on the shopping block now and we just need to get the best value we can for him.

For one, we need to trade him. He won't be any more effective next year after this. And, he's only going to be worth less after the season. I think, however, that his blaming the system is going to be good for us: perhaps it will make other GMs think it was our fault he didn't perform up to expectations instead of laying the blame where it belongs: on Pippen for not being as good as his hype. I had been afraid that last season would have exposed Pippen for the fraud he is, but hopefully it has not.

For two, we don't need to trade him to the Lakers. We shouldn't avoid it just to be spiteful, but we should ship him where the payback is best (Rice ain't it). Other teams may be wary of taking him since he wants to play for the Lakers, but I'd bet the Clippers' owner would like that Pippen could sell some tickets, and also would like that Pippen can't bail on him like all his other players for another 4 years.

For three, if no one else will match the Lakers' offer, at least make them take Maloney and maybe Bullard in the mix. I hate all the Lakers' personnel so I don't know who I'd want in return but I'm sure they'd get traded again anyway.

And for finally, unless we can score a major coup by getting Payton (not likely), we're going to have to lay down this year. Get draft picks, build for the post-Olajuwon era. Don't bother with cap space: it isn't worth anything anymore.

As for Barkley, I feel bad for him (though I've never much liked him either). Pippen completely shafted him. Barkley gave up millions for a shot at the ring. When Barkley decided to come back, he decided to come to a team with a less than great shot (but still a legitimate shot) at the championship so that he could get his money. Now Pippen is forcing him to choose between his money and his shot at the championship. Perhaps we could do a sign and trade for Barkley but I think it would have to be for draft picks after Barkley's retirement. Anything else would hurt his shot at the ring.

 

Scottie...if u want out be gone!!!
Scottie and Phil Jackson both had chances to prove that their success was not simply a result of MJ playing with them. But alas, they must figure that together they can continue to project the illusion of greatness. Screw Scottie, the silver lining to this cloud is 2 fold.
1. At least we can unload some damaged goods upon a Western Conf. rival.
2. Make LA pay dearly for Scottie (show me how bad Phil and Scottie want each other).
Rice is not gonna cut it. I want an "untouchable" player...The Rockets ponied up franchise money for him....he now wants out???We get a franchise player or nothing.