Scott Brown is owning the dems in the commonwealth state

I'm guessing without seeing that, that he's speaking tongue in cheek. Although it is Glenn Beck, who can't spell oligarchy.

 

Congress=Earl Cureton

 

Twas my first thought as well, but there is a vid at the link. He certainly sounds like he thought Brown was over the line. The "dead intern" stuff was obviously just an over the top joke, but I got the impression he didn't approve of the statement.

 

I agree with this. I thought Brown's comment was awkward as well.

 

I'm still offering my solution for any Congresscritter that will listen. Strip out the health insurance exchange, pass it as a stand-alone item with 90+%. Make much cheaper insurance available for those with pre-existing conditions or those who buy insurance on their own, outside of a group. Brag to the world that you "saved healthcare reform".

 

You are probably right that Reagan would have been a better choice, but both sent Bills to Congress and got them passed, LBJ through "power" tactics and Reagan through "horse trading" and "charm" attacks. This White House let Congress create a monster.

 

Your proposals are some of the most reasonable. I don't want Obama to fail, he is the "people's" President. I believe that he can recover, but he must change course because he has heard the voice of the people.

 

this is interesting.

 

Coakley's concession was 8 minutes.
Browns victory speech was 27 mintues.

CNN showed ~85% of Coakley (6.8 minutes) and ~25% of Brown (6.75 minutes).
MSNBC showed 100% of Coakley (8 minutes) and ~35% of Brown (9.45 minutes).
Fox showed 100% of Coakley (8 minutes) and 100% of Brown (27 minutes).

I love the manipulation of statistics everyone uses. CNN and MSNBC gave them both equal air time. Fox gave Brown excessive air time. I'd prefer magnitude, here, but whatever floats your boat.

 

Surfguy (no offense to him) has a history of feeling that anything is doomed in very short order. I've always liked his moniker for that reason.

i picture one of those surfers from my childhood who would walk back and forth on a Galveston beach looking forlorn and existentially devastated, with no waves in sight.

 

I was one of the weird long haired dudes sitting in a yoga position, B-Bob, staring at the sunset on West Beach. How I wish I could even sit cross legged again.

 

We probably passed one another. I was one of the co-ed gang of kids shooting high-caliber fireworks into the ocean and running drunkenly, naked after them into the so-called surf (oil slick). Probably interrupted your meditation -- sorry mate!

 

Reagan in his first term the major piece of legislation he got passed was tax cuts and it practically took him getting shot to get those passed. Also those were partially undone by tax reform that raised taxes in 1986.

Obama already has a stimulus package passed and a GM bailouts so he is already ahead of Reagan in terms of major legislation.

At this time in Reagan's presidency many were writing him off and we know how that turned out. This talk about Obama's presidency being doomed is way overblown or that he hasn't accomplished anything. Historically he is ahead of many presidents after one year.

 

I did not know that. I'm rarely even in this forum and it usually is on topics like Iran and Israel/Palestine. Those two issues are definitely doomed. :grin: Also, stimulus legislation would have passed regardless or the financial system would have crumbled the economy. It had to be done and both parties knew it had to be done. Let's wait and see what else happens. I didn't break out the term "doomed", either. I like Obama. He just had some pretty grand aspirations coming in with his "yes we can" rhetoric and the parties seem more divided along party lines than ever before. It makes it difficult for him to live up to what he wants to do. But, he came into a very difficult situation as it is. I'm sure they will eventually figure out health care reform in another couple of years.

 

do these fools who think obama is not progressive enough really think that progressives voted for brown because the bill isn't progressive enough. really, do you think liberals voted for brown in protest

 

Oddly enough, it seems exactly that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/20/obama-backers-more-commit_n_429673.html

Poll: Mass. Voters Protested Against Weak Wall Street, Health Care Policies


Massachusetts voters who backed Barack Obama in the presidential election a year ago and either switched support to Republican Senate candidate Scott Brown or simply stayed home, said in a poll conducted after the election Tuesday night that if Democrats enact tougher policies on Wall Street, they'll be more likely to come back to the party in the next election.

A majority of Obama voters who switched to Brown said that "Democratic policies were doing more to help Wall Street than Main Street." A full 95 percent said the economy was important or very important when it came to deciding their vote.

In a somewhat paradoxical finding, a plurality of voters who switched to the Republican -- 37 percent -- said that Democrats were not being "hard enough" in challenging Republican policies.

It would be hard to find a clearer indication, it seems, that Tuesday's vote was cast in protest.

The poll also upends the conventional understanding of health care's role in the election. A plurality of people who switched -- 48 -- or didn't vote -- 43 -- said that they opposed the Senate health care bill. But the poll dug deeper and asked people why they opposed it. Among those Brown voters, 23 percent thought it went "too far" -- but 36 percent thought it didn't go far enough and 41 percent said they weren't sure why they opposed it.

Among voters who stayed home and opposed health care, a full 53 percent said they opposed the Senate bill because it didn't go far enough; 39 percent weren't sure and only eight percent thought it went too far.

The firm Research 2000 conducted the post-election survey Tuesday night on behalf of three progressive organizations -- the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, Democracy for America and MoveOn.org.

Taken from interviews of 500 Obama backers who voted in the Senate election and 500 Obama backers who sat out the election, the firm discovered that 18 percent of Obama backers who voted in the Senate race ended up casting ballots for Brown.

Of that group, 82 percent said they favored a public option for insurance coverage, with 14 percent opposed. Of those who sat out the election, 86 percent favored the public option, while only seven percent opposed it. The findings suggests that progressive arguments that disappointed Obama supporters deserted have serious merit.

UPDATE: With little, if any, historical precedent for the current situation in Congress, anything is possible on Capitol Hill over the next few weeks. Progressives have seized on the chaos and the polling numbers above to argue that the message voters sent was that Democrats haven't been bold enough. So far, more than 100,000 people have signed a petition calling for the Senate to put the public option back into the health care bill and pass it using the parliamentary maneuver known as reconciliation, which only requires 50 votes plus the vice president. Meanwhile, top Democrats are taking the idea seriously.

"Congressional Democrats have now been given fair warning by voters about what they expect in 2010: faster change, bolder change, and a willingness to fight big corporations on behalf of the little guy," said Adam Green, whose organization is leading the petition effort. "The Lieberman-Nelson strategy lost Ted Kennedy's Senate seat. Now it's time to push the public option through reconciliation -- and then, on to strong Wall Street accountability."

 

if this is true, and I guess I have nothing to dispute it, then the democrats are screwed nationally. the tent is too big, you have conservative democrats in the south in midwest who only vote dem really when the republican candidate is so bad and progressive who have nothing in common with the latter.

if nothing gets passed, if i'm obama, i'm focusing on economy the rest of the way. its the only issue he can satify everyone on, build capital, and hopefully use it going out.

 

^^^ What's even more amusing is watching the crazies celebrate a RINO getting elected.

Senator Brown better start looking over his shoulder for the Tea Party. They'll be coming for him for sure.