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SCIENCE!: Who's Science do you trust?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Mar 10, 2010.

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Who's Science do you beleive?

  1. The Concensus of the Scientific Community

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    60.6%
  2. Science that seems reasonable and logical to me.

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    24.2%
  3. Whatever science supports my preconceived notions

    10 vote(s)
    15.2%
  1. durvasa

    durvasa Member

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    Yes, but if you can't find any such unsupported assumptions, and yet the consensus of the scientific community has a different view, do you stick to your guns or go with what they are saying?
     
  2. Ottomaton

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    I don't know. I can't think of any examples from my experience that would meet that set of criteria. If that situation arises, I'll let you know.
     
  3. TECH

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    Whichever is least chronically funded. :eek: Or not.
     
  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    It's a combination of what I take in from reports and the "scientific community" as well as my own logic and critical thinking skills - I am sure my perception of reality plays a role in it as well.

    So it's all three.
     
  5. Invisible Fan

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    The degree of trust should depend upon the time and effort you spend on your own to research things. I would take any press release dressed up as an informative news article with a grain of salt. It's stripped bare of context or the conclusions driving the discovery, and it summarizes too much.

    Without much follow up, a person would give an implicit act of faith that the study's finding is true. It'd be like hearing gossip or rumors enough times to assume that it is true. Which is ironic given that the nature of scientists themselves should be to challenge and question everything. There is consensus, but I'd be surprised if there was a field without debate and change within a publicly known consensus.

    It's a very subtle disconnect when information strays from the holder and down to the end users. The simplest most possible way to explain a subject might be too complex for the lowest common denominator who's either too dumb or too apathetic to care. This would be where you get mobs who feel it's right/wrong, and they stand behind authorities they trust to know better to defend/oppose. Science (and religion...by extension of the OP's intent) is a tool. In the end, it might not be the science/numbers you're trusting but rather who is smoother to advocate what you think should be right.
     
  6. Rocket River

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    My intent?

    Rocket River
     
  7. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Not sure I get the thread, but I do get what the thread needs:

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  8. Rashmon

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    I don't either.

    There is only one legitimate answer to the question.

    Any answer other than the consensus of the scientific community implicitly states that you do not trust science.
     
  9. Dave_78

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    Agree.

    It was a very cut and dry question to me although I'm not sure the OP meant it to be.
     
  10. Grizzled

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    Actually, the consensus of the scientific community does go astray at certain times for certain reasons. This phenomenon was discussed in the famous book The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, which also popularized the terms paradigm and paradigm shift. Many people here have probably even read this book, but for those who haven’t here’s a quick summary.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Structure_of_Scientific_Revolutions
    see also:
    http://www.des.emory.edu/mfp/kuhnsyn.html
     
  11. Bandwagoner

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    This is wrong. Science is not a religion. The awesome thing about science is when someone proves the "consensus" is wrong, it is accepted and not banished as a heretic.
     
  12. Steve_Francis_rules

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    It's more than just accepted. Those who disprove the consensus because icons (e.g., Einstein).
     
  13. Rashmon

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    Not sure how you think what I said is wrong. When the consensus of science changes, so should you.

    The consensus of science is always the correct answer. The consensus of science is never static.
     
  14. Rocket River

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    As others have said. . . blind allegiance to the Concensus of Science
    can be a bit of a problem.

    Look at the failed sciences of Eugenics and Phrenology.
    At those times . . . you would have walked lock step in the belief
    which would require a strong and vigorous resistance to anyone challenging it?

    It is not as simple as . . . Whatever the most White Coats say.
    I think alot of people need it to make sense to them.
    I think alot of people need it to align with their preconceived notions.

    I don't think alot of people will admit to the last one. . but make no doubt . .they are out there.

    Rocket River
     
  15. Rashmon

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    I'll take my chances.
     
  16. Rocket River

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    Ok . . you are kind of in a Logical loops

    1. Any answer other than the consensus of the scientific community implicitly states that you do not trust science.
    then you said
    2. The consensus of science is never static.

    QUESTION: Let's say Concensus of Science says the EARTH IS FLAT.
    by your 1st assertion . . . it must be accepted
    Anyone who does not beleive that . .. obviously does not trust science
    someone says the Earth is round
    they obviously don't trust sceince. . . . NOW an inference on my part I'll admit. . . .
    You would NOT have alot of faith in something someone who does not have faith in Science
    Then they don't trust science so their opinion maybe considered 'less than' and may not be accepted . . . further it maybe belittled.

    I guess my point is. .. by simply saying . . The Consensus of Science
    You reduce Science down to a popularity contest

    Rocket River
     
  17. Rashmon

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    If I meet someone who does not trust science, unless it conforms to their preconceived notions, or their own "experience," I would certainly think less of them from an intellectual standpoint.

    It would not eliminate them from being a friend, but it would sure tell me alot.
     
  18. Rocket River

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    so . . .in that time frame. . . [The Earth is Flat time frame]
    You would have INDEED dismissed the notion of the Earth is Round
    based on the consensus of the 'scientific' community of the time?

    I just wanted to be clear on that

    Rocket River
     
  19. lpbman

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    Not to speak for him, but scientific consensus was a different animal before the enlightenment.
     
  20. Rashmon

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    That's why I think "The Enlightenment" was such a good name for it.

    So RR, are you saying that you would go with your own intuition and observation over established science?

    Is this some cleverly disguised creationism thread?
     

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