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[SCIENCE!] Dems Are Faking Their Stress Over Trump’s Election

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, May 21, 2019.

  1. biff17

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    They did not commit a crime they are applying for asylum.

    Get your facts straight.
     
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  2. pgabriel

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    Regardless the border patrol acts as a law enforcement agency and to be detained they are arreested and processed and there is nothing cruel or unusual
     
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    Again, many didn't commit crimes. They came to a legal port of entry to apply for asylum. That isn't a crime.
     
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    And there is nothing unconstitutional about them being detained. Asylum isnt a trump card
     
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    What on earth are you talking about? You understand that law enforcement can't detain people for more than a certain number of hours unless they charge them with a crime?
     
  6. pgabriel

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    What on earth are you talking about? The asylum process takes time. The border patrol is operating within its authority

    The average amount of time in the detention centers is about 35 days

    Edit: the number of people crossing the border are at ten year highs.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/us/border-crossing-increase.html
     
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    The number of people crossing the borders is not an excuse for cruel incompetence.
     
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    What is actually cruel? Thats an opinion. I would say they are already living in better conditions
     
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    It is cruel to incarcerate children and separate them from their families. It is damaging to them. This is especially true when they do not all have access to pediatricians each day. It is especially true when there is no way to return them to their families.

    Are you of the opinion that that isn't cruel?
     
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    For 35 days they're damaged getting probably better meals than where they came from? A couple of the kids who died had actually been to hospitals here.

    The system wasnt designed for so many people. They'll survive the inconvenience
     
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    It is more than an inconvenience and after 35 days they aren't returned to their families because the Trump officials running it have no idea who the families are or where they are. If you think removing children as young as toddlers from their parents for 35 days isn't cruel, then that says some unfortunate things about you. I will pray for you, pal.
     
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    Once again you try too gloss over that you are factually wrong in your argument.

    You don't think it's cruel and unusual that your kids are taken from you and you don't if and when you will get them back?
     
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    They can't stay in adult facilities. Theyve just migrated through Mexico. They are already better than they were the immediate prior months on the roade.

    The officials have gotten a better handle on the situation because they heard the concerns

    Edit: i forgot "pal"
     
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    The families that werent reunited were mistakes. They know they will be reunited and your statement that they don't demonstrates the point of this thread
     
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    They don't have to stay in any facilities. The adults can be fitted with ankle bracelets, they can be assigned, social workers. It has been done before and it was successful. Trump could have allowed the funding for more judges to help clear the backlog.

    Whether they are actually better off without their families is certainly debatable on a case by case basis. The fact that the separation and detention is unnecessary to resolve the cases makes the separation and detention cruel.
     
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    No they don't know if they will be reunited because the government has not kept good tracking records and some parents have already been deported.

    It's obvious you have no real grasp of the facts so I will stop this conversation.
     
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    I should probably follow suit at this point.
     
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    That problem appears to be fixed
     
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    They are better off than they were on the road im sure
     
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    Oh well as long as you are sure, then by all means there is no problem.
     

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