Yup, lets just stick metal detectors everywhere. Collect up the guns. While we are at it, lets limit our freedom of speech. Everyone needs to be equal! Sounds like the ranting of a communist. ------------------ Nice guys finish last ... and im surely not going to finish last!
if you're gonna blame this incident on liberals then please list examples of these little things that contributed to it. ------------------
Wow, you can gain insight into Achebe's economic theory (communism)just by his stance on gun control? You are a bloody genius! ------------------ Take an object. Do something to it. Do something else to it. " " " " "
I was going to post something, but Space Ghost says it so much better. ------------------ Sometimes you gotta do the next best thing!
rimbaud, LOL. Space Ghost disagrees with me, so he uses that oh so powerful trump card label "communist". It would be tantamount to me calling him a racist, sexist, homophobic, bible thumping hypocritical moron. Hey wait... ------------------ I'd rather be boinking my wife.
How come I just heard Spiderman in my ears With Great power [freedoms, rights, privileges] Comes Greater Responsibility I was under the impression that one would have to be of LEGAL age to buy a gun . . . Legitimately anyway I dunno seems like kids today are Mentally weaker Spiritually more corrupt and more vindictive and impulsive one one hand I hope this teacher some that you cannot just treat people any ole kind of way and not expect them to snap On the other I wish we were a little more thick skinned and stronger than this Rocket River Jeff u right. . at the end of the day it is just sad ------------------
I didn't blame this incident on liberals. I do think liberalism has a great deal to do with the decline of morals in our society. Liberal organizations like the ACLU promote freedom even to the detriment of our country. Believe it or not, everything is not relative. There is a right and a wrong often times. ------------------ There's not enough laughter in this world! [This message has been edited by Timing (edited March 05, 2001).]
The Russians are Coming! The Russians are Coming! By the way, wasn't this thread originally about the senseless tragedy in California??? ------------------ Onions is all I eat!
Well, that freedom is expressly written into the Constitution. Freedom for movie makers to show 30 murders every hour isn't. ------------------ There's not enough laughter in this world!
Man I can't believe this thread became a democrat/republican debate! The kid is sick. I'm not a big Bush "fan", but I agree with him 100%. No 1000%! He is dead on! This goes to show you that guns are dangerous. Period. They are made to kill. A waiting period wouldn't have stopped him. A safety on a gun wouldn't have stopped him. None of that would have stopped him. Do you think he could have hurt all those people with a knife or a bat? Maybe a few, but not all those people. I just don'e see any good out of letting people carry guns around. This is a senseless tragedy, that might have been prevented. By the way, if someone says they are going to come to school and start shooting people, say they have guns locked up at home, and ask you to help them REPORT THEM! ------------------ Rocks2001 in disguise. . .
I do think liberalism has a great deal to do with the decline of morals in our society. Outrageous. No supporting arguments other than: "Liberal organizations like the ACLU promote freedom even to the detriment of our country." I think conservatism has a great deal to do with changing climate trends in the US. Conservative organizations like the RNC promote hot-air blowing even to the detriment of our climate trends. "Freedom for movie makers to show 30 murders every hour isn't. " From the Bill of Rights: Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
We're talking about morality, not air pollution. Nice change of topic though. Show me again in the Constitution where it says showing 30 murders per hour in movies is acceptable. Liberals love to spread freedom of speech as wide as possible in order to drive all of their morally questionable points of view through on an 18 wheeler. ------------------ There's not enough laughter in this world!
Maybe I am missing something here, but why the hell do you need so many guns in your society????????????? A farmer who needs to shoot animals on his property, I can understand... How does that translate into 15 yo's with hand guns? ------------------
I think the MAIN problem in America is our Selfishness. And our INSTANT GRATIFICATION for what WE want. We look up to Atheletes, rappers, actors etc... that say "I do what I want to do because it makes ME happy". We secretly wish we were like Frank Sinatra's song "I DID IT MY WAY". It has nothing to do with the gun laws or getting picked on. It has everything to do with the fact that if we, as Americans, dont like what is happening to us at that very moment we get very pissed because we think it is 'unfair'. The kid at school "He called me a name and that is Disrespect. I will show him. No one will DISRESPECT ME." We live in a time when Ball players make $9.9 million and b**** that they are disrespected. So there is a direct correlation between that and a kid saying "Why are they treating me like this? I will show them that I deserve RESPECT" It used to be 'Dont ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country'. But now, there are alot of people that feel they are OWED things just for being Americans. You aren't owed jack ****. You OWE AMerica. People need to stop worrying about what everyone else has because that just justifies their selfishness of what they dont have. And people need to stop CONSTANTLY thinking about themselves, when thinking of others would be beneficial to a larger group. It happens at the store. How many times have you seen some idiot park RiGHT in front of the door to let his wife out of the car and he stays there, while everyone going into and out of the store have to walk AROUND his car? Gee, why is he doing that? Because he WANTS TO. HE isnt thinking about ANYONE else but his selfish instant gratification. It happens on the highway all the time. How many times have you tried to merge, yet the SOB next to you sped up just enough so you couldnt change lanes? Why is he doing that? Because he WANTS to. He also isnt thinking about anyone else except HIMSELF. There is much more to say about this but I am a much better debater vocally.
Take an ethics class Timing, you'd get alot out of it. It's morally reprehensible for a child to suffer, for a child to be denied their right to clean air. For asthma to cripple someone in Salt Lake Valley merely from inversion (smog) is wrong. That is most certainly a moral issue. The rights of women and minorities have been increased by progressive thought. As Will pointed out in a separate thread, progressives were right on issues of racism. Progressives were right about the suffrage movement. Progressives were right about child labor. Progressives changed the conservative viewpoint on spousal rape. Progressives changed the viewpoint on assistance to the disabled. People are just realizing that the environment does matter. There are values in nature that must be respected. These were all moral issues. Conservatives were wrong on all of them. Liberals were right. Television bandwith is actually apportioned by the government. First Amendment rights aren't all powerful such as jamcracker suggests. We do have a ratings sytem. But you know that. I'd actually agree w/ you here, but I'm courious to find your consistent position first. I'm sure in other arguments you suggest some sort of accountability from the parents, right? Why is it any different here? Again: I find it utterly amazing that handgun murder advocates usually blame the handgun user rather than the gun; however, today they blame the media... not the handgun user. Huh? How does that work? The poor handgun users must feel torn. They should be responsible until it fits into the "media is bad" argument. When should someone take responsibility and when should they not take responsibility? ScreamingRocketJet, Two words: John Wayne. ------------------ I'd rather be boinking my wife.
I don't know what to say. I am sickened that the republicans on this board could try to pin this on liberals. Oh yes, its the liberals that are destroying society. Aren't the republicans the backwards-thinking people that love guns and use them whenever they can? Why yes, I think they are. This was the result of either bad parenting, or simple insanity. You don't have to be an adult to go insane. Obviously this kid didn't have anyone to guide him when he was going through tough times. I bet he was well off, with all the videogames and and junkfood he wanted. The parents probably thought he was happy with all his lovely posessions, so they never spent any time with him. No human contact is a very bad thing. Of course, it ould have been harder for this kid to shoot people if he hadn't had easy access to an assault rifle. ------------------ "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning how to put food on their family while being put to death."
I actually DO believe that liberalism has had a great deal to do with the decline in our morals. Look at the leader of our Country the last eight years. Everything was about HIM. He didnt care how many people he crushed on the way to the top, and how many people he destroyed while at the top. People saw this and LOVED it. He has a HUGE following that LOVE him. Not for what he did in ways of policy, but what he did in his personal life. The liberal way is the thinking of "I dont have this..... I will get it from the government. I am OWED that" There is NO talk of what that person has done to deserve ANYTHING from the government. Just that he is OWED it PERIOD. If a person doesnt get a job, a liberal way to look at it is, "I didnt get it because I am Black, or I am Female, or I am too old, etc.." NOWHERE in there is "Maybe I just wasnt the best available." It is GIMME DO WILLYA. I DESERVE EVERYTHING to be handed to me. DO FOR ME, DO FOR ME, DO FOR ME..... Then when something is wrong it is ALWAYS passing the blame. This kid killed some students, a liberal says "We should do away with guns. They are evil things that kill." "The poor kid was picked on and just had too much (He was Disrespected)". Part of the blame goes to parents also. We are in such a rush to give our kids ANYTHING they want, to make them happy. But in the long run by giving them EVERYTHING they want, we teach them they are OWED everything. And if they dont get EVERYTHING they want they have somehow been screwed over. The best lesson a parent can give a child is "LIFE IS UNFAIR, LEARN TO DEAL WITH IT."
Jet, Remember we are not talking about Australian Society here, this is America. Having a gun is part of the constitution and no matter what you say will always with part of normal life to carry a gun in the USA. Sure we miss out on watching the NBA all the time (well more than 2 games a week) but there is no way i would trade it in to live in country where is ok to own a gun. Smeg ------------------ CUT Tino These Heaves are just getting Ridiculous!
DUDE, see my second post in the Maybe we should bring prayer back in schools.. thread. I don't like having this argument in the School Shooting thread. [This message has been edited by jamcracker (edited March 05, 2001).]
