Asian Sensation – do you not have any comeback for the statistical comparison? Do you believe individual numbers are less relevant than team accomplishments when measuring individuals? Again, it amazes me the anti-Schaub crowd is so stubborn. His numbers dwarf Eli's and all we get in response are silly, meaningless "whateva"-level responses.
and If James Harrison didn't intercept that pass and If David Tyree didn't make that catch and If Fat Albert wasn't so fat and if Matt Schaub wasn't so brittle.
So what you're saying is, you'd rather have Schaub than Eli? Shouldn't this argument really come down to that simple question?
personally, i have them about even. Manning gets the edge in physical ability and durability. Schaub gets the edge in consistency and game management ( i really do think people underestimate how well schaub can see the field). I still find this thread amusing because at the end of last year this thread would have died after 2 pages. Eli's probably going to get the nod from most people because he's fresh on the brain and is being highlighted on ESPN, not to mention most people hear only see glimpses of his play as opposed to being under a microscope like Schaub.
I'm saying all the "You're kidding, right? ELI!!!!!1111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FTW!" posts are wildly myopic. Who would I rather have? Eli. I think he's given a lot more "F it, I'm goin' long" freedom with Gilbride; Kubiak would reign him in and likely cut down on the turnovers. Given that suppostion and his durability, I think he's the right choice. But it's closer than a lot of people here seem to think.
exactly. It's not a ridiculous argument at all...at least for sane people. It is interesting that Eli's biggest argument points are 1) physical tools 2) durability 3) "he's won the big game". Schaub can't compete with Eli in 1 and 2....for #3, Schaub has an incomplete because he hasn't had the opportunity yet.
If schaub was still playing we could have been in the AFC championship. If we had Eli could have been in the AFC championship. Whatever numbers you put out there for schaub you better cut them by one third because there is a 3/5 chance he misses 5 or 6 games. Eli has thrown for more yards in a season than schaub ever has. Eli has thrown for more touchdowns in a season than schaub ever has. The most important stat though, is showing up. When Mathew Stafford shows up, he is very good. When he doesn't he is a zero.
It IS a ridiculous argument and the only people that think it's "close" are Texan's Fans. As you've said Eli has the better physical tools, he's more durable and he's won the big game. Whether it's lack of opportunity, bad luck, different circumstances, Kickers sucking, whatever excuse you want to make... Schaub hasn't played in the Playoffs EVER and you guys want to compare him to Eli who has 7 Playoff victories, 1 superbowl ring and on the verge of another superbowl ring. The only time when Schaub and Eli should be compared is during the FANTASY football season and Fantasy football is over for the year.
Not only are you cherry-picking but you're cherry-picking randomly favorable statistics. Why a single season sample size? And I notice you didn't bother to list who's thrown the most INTs in a single season (Eli: 25 to 15 - and Schaub did it throwing MORE passes - 583 to 539). What about QB rating (98.6 to 93.1, Schaub)? Not only that, the difference of the stats you did throw out (which didn't even happen in the same year for Eli) is almost neglible - Eli's best yardage year tops Schaub by 12 yards. He has him by 2 TDs. That's very nearly a draw - why are you bringing it up again? I think I can speak for everyone on the board when I say we all prefer a healthy Eli to an injured Schaub. It *is* a difference and no one is running from it. I said I'd probably pick Eli because of it. Again, you'll note compromise from the pro-Schaub crowd - where's yours? Are you going to continue to steadfastly deny it's not closer than you thought?
I'll ask again: do you believe team accomplishments are a better measure of individuals than individual accomplishments? Apparently you do... Why will you not at least concede that Schaub is better than you likely realized and in the conversation? Why is that so hard for you to do? Why does this have to be so black and white?
Eli - 4993 Schaub - 4770 More than 12 I think. WTF were you talking about again? Oh right this: No, they don't. That is why I brought it up. What is closer than I thought? Who would I rather have on my team? Eli by a mile, he is healthy all the time, never misses games and has proven he can win it all. Who has had the better career? Eli by a mile. It isn't close.
Sorry - 12 yards/game. That's an additional 1.5 completions for Schaub. It's barely worth mentioning I notice you continue to ignore any single-season stat that favors Schaub... No response to the INT or QBR single-season advantage? If you want to cherry-pick stats that favor Eli, have it. It only exposes your bias. Taken collectively, Schaub's numbers dwarf Eli's. You'll note: I also picked Eli. Is it hard to post on message boards with your head jammed into a pile of sand? I bet it is. This is the 3rd, 4th post in which I've given you an opportunity to hedge on the Schaub bias. Nada. That's fine. But just know that it invalidates your opinion each and every time you fail to acknowledge Schaub's statistical advantage. But go ahead - tell me who's put up better stats on... September 28 in their careers, or whatever other tiny sample size you can find so you can continue to be oblivious to the career leader.
I am objective. I posted this several pages ago. Seriously, how is he blowing away anyone? You are either delusional or not looking at the same numbers.
You keep dwelling on the fact that Schaub has accomplished more as an individual than Eli. Exactly what more has Schaub accomplished as an individual compared to Eli? Please enlighten me... Eli has 7 playoff wins as a QB. Eli is a Superbowl Champion and Superbowl MVP. Eli has a chance to add another Championship and Superbowl MVP to his resume. Matt Schaub has 0 playoff wins as a QB. The only thing Schaub has that Eli doesn't have is a Prowbowl MVP lol. I have no problem with the Texans or Schaub. I think Schaub is a good QB albeit an injury prone one with limitations. It's Black and White because you're trying to make an agrument for a player that has not won a single playoff game to a Champion that also puts up similar numbers in the regular season. Good players become GREAT by what they do in the Post Season. Schaub= good. Eli= Great. Pretty cut and dry here. There's really no point of debating this matter any further with a bunch of delusional Texan's fans. Only a Texan's fan would put Schaub on the same level as Eli. That's some funny ish.
Are YOU looking at the numbers? This represents Schuab's entire career v. the prime of Eli's career... and Schaub is still besting him in every single statistical category, save TDs. More yards, better completion %, fewer INTs, higher YPA, higher QBR....... Maybe you should stop posting.....
