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Schaub the ELITE

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Hey Now!, Oct 1, 2012.

  1. PDJACK7

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    Yes they can, if everything goes perfect. That is where the problem lies, because we know everything won't be perfect, and he doesn't have what it takes to overcome the shortcomings and problems every team will have in a season.
     
  2. Hey Now!

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    That was certainly an issue as the season wore on and became a full-blown problem in December. But prior to this year, he ranked 3rd, 6th, and 5th in YPA. He's never, ever been the checkdown Charlie everyone so desperately wants to make him out to be (prior to the final six weeks of this season).

    For the record, Flacco's two biggest throws of this postseason were drastic underthrows.

    He has a great arm, no question. But the NFL is not built around 50-yard bombs; it's not even really built around 25-yard bombs. It's an 8-15-yard passing league. Schaub struggles to throw to the sidelines - but otherwise, he's made enough throws to rank among the leaders in completion %, yards, YPA every year since 2009...

    The Texans had to start a third-string rookie QB for 8 games last year. Foster rushed for 769 yards and averaged 4.9 yards a carry during those 8 games, including 285 in 2 playoff games. If defenses realized Schaub could not beat them - do you think they showed Yates more respect and that provided ample running lanes for Foster?

    The offensive line absolutely took a step back in run and pass blocking this year.
     
  3. PDJACK7

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    And what I mean about this is, when the defense is sucking, then he puts the team on his back and says I will just out score you (please don't bring up the Lions or Jaguars game, I mean against a good team which will be in the playoffs). He can't say if you sellout on the run I'm going to beat you with my arm. Or he can't make a play to where he gets his team motivated and pumped up when t seems all is lost. These are the things Brady, Big Ben, Rodgers, Manning and even Flacco does.
     
  4. msn

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    lol @ the thought that Flacco can run. give this fish story a few more weeks and he'll be a flipping cross between Marino, Elway, and Brady. :/
     
  5. PDJACK7

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    This is why I said not all the blame. I know they had a part in it, as well as Foster not really running as hard as he had been until the playoffs.
     
  6. Mr. Clutch

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    Yes, and we lost Cushing plus Joseph was never 100%.

    Let's get those 2 guys back, improve the OL through experience and add a 2nd WR and see how next year goes.

    If we can somehow get Philip Rivers or a promising young QB, by all means do so, but chances are a top QB won't be available.
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

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    Marino has no rings. Doesn't belong in the conversation with those other 3.
     
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    True, this is why I said not in the mold of a VY or Vick. None of those guys are runners, but if you give them an opportunity to get a couple of yds and they take it and get out of bounds. They won't just throw it out of bounds with no one within 7 yds of them.
     
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    Well, everything went perfect for Baltimore. They really should have lost at Denver.
     
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    I don't think it was. Actually they beat Denver soundly, but the Special Teams almost lost he game for them. If they do their job, it would have been a blowout.
     
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    i wonder why there's no more talk of peyton manning. as soon as he threw that INT, all conversation shifted to Flacco...conveniently.
     
  12. PDJACK7

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    Oh and I was just talking about us Texans needing everything to be perfect. We are probably the only contending team that needs all facets of the game running great (run, pass, defense). New England don't need their defense to play well, because they will just out score you. Green Bay don't need their running game working well, because Rodgers will just beat you with his arm. Ravens don't need Flacco to be great, because the defense can win on their own. But we need all of our components to beat the better teams. The running game opens up the playaction/bootleg, which opens up receivers. When the defense is on their game it allows Kubiac to play conservative and win TOP. Take any of those elements out and it is hard for us to beat those good teams. Cause without the running game, our passing game can't get going. And if the defense are getting destroyed, we can't out score the better teams.
     
  13. Hey Now!

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    Who else are you blaming in the following post?:
     
  14. SamFisher

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    In the regular season? No. Of course, so many other variables there so it's hard to say.

    What I'm saying is that it seems that having the strong armed guy who puts together good not great regular seasons (a la Flacco and Eli Manning, who also puts up high 80/low 90 QBR's) is a far more desirable circumstance IMO come playoff time than having the weak-armed, maxed-out guly like Schaub. If a team takes the run away from the Giants or the Ravens, they have a theoretically better chance at beating the other team with the pass, simply by having the option of making throws, running routes etc that Schaub can't possibly do.
     
  15. Hey Now!

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    The Patriots scored 13 points in the championship game.

    The Packers lost scoring 31.

    The Ravens gave up 35 to Denver and 31 to SF.

    This notion that a one-dimensional team can win 3-4 consecutive playoff games is silly. The Texans are like every other team in football: to win it all, they'll need a total team effort.
     
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    What we're talking about is Schaub's mental capacity, no? If we agree he can sling it with the best of the best in a week 2 game at Jacksonville... theoretically, from a physical standpoint, he should be able to sling it with the best of the best in a playoff game.

    That's why I'm trying to cut-off this evolving narrative that Matt Schaub is not a good QB. If the Matt Schaub of 2009-through-the first 12 games of 2012 had shown up for our final 6 games, do you think the season ends the same way? In a lackluster second-round performance on the road?

    Now, Schaub, unfortunately, provided ample evidence down the stretch this year that he might not be up to the task mentally. And I think everyone focusing on that has a point and I would lean their way in terms of my confidence in Schaub moving forward. But if that's something he can overcome...? I have no doubt Matt Schaub can do what Joe Flacco just did.
     
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    tuning into radio cbs affiliates in baltimore before the playoffs began, I realized fans are the same all over. Their callers sounded like these dorks, wanting to rid Flacco from the area, that Dilfer at least won something.

    And after the denver lost, their fans were calling manning "mr. one and done" and that the organization should have bothered with the signing.
    I guess fans are like that everywhere. The level headed ones like us just aren't as loud spoken as they are.

    No longer care about 4,00 yard seasons. What did warren moon do for us? couldn't even get us to an afc title game. In the end, we all do want a ring. And to do that, you have to stop little midgets from catching the ball and nailing for a first down throughout the game.
     
  18. dmoneybangbang

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    I'm sorry but Flacco didn't put the Ravens on his shoulders to win the superbowl.....
     
  19. msn

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    were you and I even watching the same game??? of course he did. and, at halftime he visited a kid in the hospital, and during a TV timeout he negotiated peace in the middle east.

    full. on. stud.
     
  20. dmoneybangbang

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    LOLZ... Sure.... I saw a Ravens TEAM win the superbowl. Flacco played great but he did not put the Ravens on his shoulders and win.
     
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