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Schaub the ELITE

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Hey Now!, Oct 1, 2012.

  1. Raven

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    Excellent post!

    But Uncle Bob is selling tickets as fast as he can print them, and he's probably going to snag another SB in 2017, which will be close to his 80th birthday. Unless he really craves a Championship, things couldn't be going any better for him. Nor has Uncle Bob ever shown a distaste for losing. In fact, other than a few watered down public statements, he doesn't appear to care about winning one way or the other, especially since every game is an automatic sellout no matter what.

    No accountability!
     
  2. PDJACK7

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    Point taken. Any organization/coach will want the QB they threw big money at to start. The point is that you have to be willing to even entertain benching that player for the possibility of someone to do the job better. If you can honestly say that Kubiac or this Organization are willing to take chances that may or may not work, I'll buy you lunch (just joking, trying to make a point). This organization stuck with players and coaches too long. And this coach sticks with whom he thinks are his guys too long. They are too loyal to a fault.
     
  3. macalu

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    was seattle a good organization the four years prior to 2012 where they never won more than 7 games? one "lucky" decision does not a good organization make. the seahawks choice to start their rookie wasn't that hard, especially when he's outplaying matt flynn. no one on the texans roster has shown to outplay schaub.

    that's not to say they shouldn't go in a different direction. i wouldn't mind yates getting some snaps now but i don't see him taking us any further than Schaub. then we're right where we started.
     
  4. ubigred

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    Exactly.
     
  5. astrosrule

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    how is Seattle the model? they didn't go any further then we did......
     
  6. fallenphoenix

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    schaub is getting embarrassed right now
     
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    Schaub needs to sit down the Kubiak...and just work on adding more wrinkles in his game plan...Matt needs to get better at getting the ball down the field at a better clip than what he has shown for the Texans...

    Schaub has to work on conditioning and arm strength this off season...needs to work with someone to help him condition his shoulder...I do understand that he isnt getting younger, but there is no reason for why he looks slower than molasses out there on the field...
     
  9. Major

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    Pete Carroll is in year 3, compared to Kubiak in year 7.

    They identified a weakness, and took steps to fix it. They brought in a guy via free agency and drafted a high-upside rookie, and said from day #1 that there was a QB competition despite the high pay of one of their options. The guy they expected to win it and paid a lot to be their starting QB lost, so they went with the better option. And they found a potential star in the process.

    Compare that to the Texans. They traded for a high upside QB, and then started him with no competition - for 6 years. They have not made any effort to find a better option - and maybe they didn't need to because they were doing fairly well with him. But it appears they may have plateaued there (with 2011 being the peak) - so the question is do they continue with the "we're paying him a lot, so that's that" model, or do they go look for other high-upside options and see if anything pans out?
     
  10. rhino17

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    I don't buy this at all. Houston's problem at QB has only arose during this season. As you said, Seattle took 3 years to have an open QB competition. The situations are in no way comparable. This is not something you can put on the texans because its a completely different scenario.
     
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    I understand your point, but it's silly to compare the 2 the way you did. Seattle had an incredible defense, great RB/running game this offseason. Carroll really had to fix the passing game only. So yes, he identified the glaring weakness--really the only weakness.

    Compare to the Texans. After trading for Schaub, they very quickly had an elite passing game, including Schaub throwing for the 7th most yards in a season ever. You're criticizing the team for choosing to spend their picks on improving a consistently bottom 5 defense (esp pass defense) and the running game to complement the only perceived strength of the team? Just a poor argument

    I'm glad they drafted Yates and started to move in that direction. Hopefully this year they bring someone in who can more directly compete for the job...likely an earlier pick given the cap situation and need to spend that money to improve the rest of the team
     
  12. PDJACK7

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    No the problem with Schaub has been there from the jump. I've been saying for the past 3 yrs what people are now noticing about him. The thing is now that we have a better team and the Superbowl is within sight, now people are seeing his flaws. He has not changed from when he was throwing all those yards, its just now we have bigger expectations and he's getting called out more. And its not just us Texans fans that are calling him out. Some analyst, ex-players and other team's fans say the same thing about Schaub that most of us are saying.
     
  13. josephnicks

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    wow great analysis there.. while both teams got knocked out in the divison round, their situation leaves room for far much more optimism... had pete carrol not attempted to "ice" atlantas kicker, the seahawks would have been playing in the championship game. the texans got embarrased in their game. then there is the reality of the situation, you have a rookie qb with a limitless cieling and the texans have atleast 2 more years of matt schaub and a closing window..
     
  14. Cohete Rojo

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    Just going on the record to say that I hate the Matt Schaub billboard on the Pierce Elevated.
     
  15. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Not one Titan was responsible for this cluster...
     
  16. meh

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    Exactly what they did last year, drafting a bunch of defensive players in the draft, signed JJo and Manning. Hired Wade Phillips. Excellent offseason and perfect example of finding a weakness and attack it.

    This offseason? I can understand they have cap issues. But they did just the opposite. They let Winston go, I can deal with that. But no tackles drafted and went into the season with Newton and a forever injured Butler at a position that's integral to their running game. We had a bad receiving corp? Okay, let's draft some. But instead of more polished receivers like Randle, we chose someone who couldn't play until the end of the season in Posey. Let Ryans go? Okay. But all his replacements have been literally been a bunch of guys that can't cover nor blitz. Schaub injuries causing us problems? Let's rework the offense so that it's so conservative we stand no chance against superior teams, rather than finding a legit backup that can win some games.

    Oh, and the Texans didn't even use all of their precious cap space in the offseason. They left 4-5mil open just in case. Which I'm fine with... except they didn't try to sign anyone significant during the season with that money, and ended up giving it to Schaub on his extension. Instead of being aggressive like last year, the Texans were conservative and content this offseason. So instead of taking a huge step forward on the field, the Texans remained in place, or possibly even took a step back instead.
     
  17. msn

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    yes, they stepped back from 10-6 to 12-4. :grin:
     
  18. gatsby

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    Leave it to Schaub to throw two picks in the Pro Bowl. Great.
     
  19. Major

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    Re-read what I posted. I specifically said they probably didn't need to because Schaub was doing fine for what they needed. The question is what they do *now*. People are saying the Texans have no options and are stuck with Schaub, whether they like him or not. I think that's a stupid approach and completely untrue, as shown by Seattle. Having a high-priced QB does not, in any way, preclude you from trying to improve at the QB spot.

    The Texans currently have an average QB at best. If they had an average running game or average defense, even if a lot of money was invested there, they would (or should) try to improve those. QB shouldn't be an exception.
     
  20. Major

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    If the 2011 Texans (with Schaub) played the 2012 Texans, which team do you think would win? The 2011 team, pre-injury, was pretty much better in every phase of the game.
     

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