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Schaub the ELITE

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Hey Now!, Oct 1, 2012.

  1. Hey Now!

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    The Texans have already made this a moot point by extending Schaub. Right, wrong; good, bad - we're stuck with him.

    I was disappointed in how the season ended, and specifically disappointed in Schaub's play. Unfortunately, while this is his first taste, it's year four for us in terms of this team underachieving - so I respect the urgency many are feeling. Pretty obvious, with Schaub, that the Texans can win 10+ games and be in the postseason every year. I now have my doubts he can push us over the hump but, again: that's a moot point. So how do we augment? Would he be more effective throwing first, running second? Does he need more playmakers? Is the OL sufficient? Those are easier fixes than finding a well above-average QB.

    Hopefully, he simply choked and got it out of his system and will be better for it next year. THAT, come to think of it, is the easiest fix.
     
  2. Raven

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    For how long? Hopefully only long enough to develop his replacement. The Texans, assuming they have little faith in Yates, need to either draft or trade for a QB who they feel can at least be a legitimate backup.

    Would anyone be shocked if Schaub is worse next season?
     
  3. Fyreball

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    If he was 25, I'd say absolutely, and be good with it. However, he is 32, it's his 9th year in the league, and he's not getting better.....in fact, he is seemingly getting worse. That's the source of my frustrations right now. It's completely understood that for at least one (and most likely two) more season(s), he is going to be the QB for this team. There are 21 million reasons why that is true. However, with that being the case, I want to see a completely re-dedicated Matt Schaub this off-season. He has a lot of deficiencies in his game that he simply can't fix (lack of mobility, arm strength, inability to make people miss, etc). On the other hand, there are a boatload of things he CAN fix (pocket presence, ability to keep his eyes down field while under pressure, better route progression, etc) to make himself a better QB, and those are the things I want to see. Nobody on this team should be allowed to feel like their job is safe just because there is a lack of competition at the position. It was a huge miscalculation on the part of the front office to give him that extension, but it was a bigger one to not put anybody behind him to truly test him. This is the first time since he's been in Houston that people are genuinely doubting his ability to lead this team to a championship.....I want to see how he responds.
     
  4. ubigred

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    Impossible.......... since the Jags and Titans are still in the division.
     
  5. macalu

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    Matt Schaub is the QB for the foreseeable future. The joke's on all of you Schaub haters as much as anyone else.
     
  6. REEKO_HTOWN

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    It's on the Schaub lovers too. Lol.
     
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  8. Coach AI

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    Damn, I didn't even realize Schaub will be 32 when next season starts.
     
  9. ubigred

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    Why didnt he try and throw deep more? Atleast thats what TJ did, hell Flacco did it and look what happened. You get a catch, a P.I. or Incompletion in most cases. But not Matt
     
  11. javal_lon

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    Schaub doesnt take shots ... Schaub's main target in the red zone is Owen Daniels.... The fact that Andre routinely gets under 6 TD's per season is absolutely Schaubish...... These alone make him anti-elite
     
  12. gfab-babyboi

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    great article ...

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/13/texans-hands-are-tied-with-schaub-in-2013/

    Texans hands are tied with Schaub in 2013

    Posted by Mike Florio on January 13, 2013, 8:43 PM EST

    Though Texans quarterback Matt Schaub had a solid game on Sunday against the Patriots, plenty of his yards and both of his touchdown passes came after Houston had fallen into a 25-point hole. Regardless, a season of high expectations ended with the Texans doing no better than they did in 2011.

    Things could have been different, if the Texans had nailed down the No. 1 seed in the AFC. But with the Texans blowing back-to-back opportunities to secure home-field advantage during the final two weeks of the regular season, they had to play in the wild-card round and hit the road, Jack, for the divisional playoffs.

    Coupled with a chronic inability by Schaub to show up in big games this season, plenty of Texans fans surely will wonder whether it’s time, at a minimum, to open up the competition.

    That’s unlikely. Schaub’s contract has what we’ll call a Sanchez clause in 2013, with the quarterback due to receive a fully-guaranteed base salary of $7.25 million. While we don’t know whether the Texans would be entitled to an offset if Schaub is cut and plays elsewhere next season, the Sanchez deal (which blocks an offset) and the Schaub deal were negotiated by the same agency, Athletes First.

    Then there’s the fact that moving on from Schaub would result in $14 million in dead money, thanks to the unallocated portion of his $17.5 million signing bonus. Though the hit could be reduced to $3.5 million in 2013 with a post-June 1 designation for the release, the other $10.5 million would apply to the cap in 2014.

    Moreover, dumping Schaub would constitute an admission that the $22.4 million Schaub was paid in 2013 was a mistake.

    So, yes, Schaub will be back in 2013. The question is whether, come 2014, the Texans will be willing to pay him a non-guaranteed base salary of $10 million, especially since the dead money could be reduced to $3.5 million in 2014 and $7 million in 2015.

    Before making any moves with Schaub, the Texans would have to feel like they have someone better. But it’s hard to imagine them doing much more as a team until they do
     
  13. ubigred

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    ^^
    In other words :

    Houston, you have a problem.


    (Tl;dr: Sigh....)
     
  14. macalu

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    uh, that's why i said anyone else.
     
  15. Pringles

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    Keep Schaub or trade him for picks. We can't cut him because we already already cap stricken.

    Honestly, if Carson Palmer got the Bengals a first round and a second round pick, then Schaub should get us something worth more.
     
  16. Rocket River

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    The one time we throw the jump ball in the endzone to Andre
    Is during a game that is out of hand ..
    and only for 2 pts

    Where was that all year??

    Rocket River
     
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    Riiiiiiiiiiiight< I was like wtf, why dont we do this every damn time he has a smaller CB covering him
     
  18. rezdawg

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    That was my thought too...just throw it and let Andre do the work. That should be run every single time we are in the red zone.
     
  19. gfab-babyboi

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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rs-houstons-biggest-winners-and-losers/page/2

    Whenever the Patriots attempted to cover him one on one, he easily was able to break free and get open. Aqib Talib was not able to handle him alone. Johnson is on a whole other level of physicality, and opposing cornerbacks absolutely cannot out-muscle him.

    When it was all said and done, though, Johnson could not change the outcome.

    The Texans offensive play-calling was either too conservative, or Schaub was just too frightened to look downfield for more than a second. If Johnson ever even got slightly open for a huge pass play way down the field, it would be unlikely that Schaub would throw to him, unless he absolutely had to.
     
  20. gfab-babyboi

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    Loser: Matt Schaub

    After this game, it is becoming more and more clear that Matt Schaub is not the quarterback that can lead the Texans to a Super Bowl.

    Schaub looked uneasy in the pocket, despite that he was not really being pressured. He often stepped up into pass-rushers in an attempt to escape from the pocket. He often threw the ball away when there were no pass-rushers in sight and receivers were open downfield.

    Schaub was hesitant to throw the ball deep, and he constantly decided to throw the ball around the first-down marker. On many third downs, Schaub simply decided to throw the ball well-short of the first down and not even take a chance downfield.

    How many teams in the recent era have managed to win a Super Bowl without a quarterback who was willing to take some risks. Not many. Trent Dilfer and the 2000 Ravens might be the only example.

    If the Texans are to win any future Super Bowls, the Texans will either have to get Schaub to man up and take shots downfield, or they will have to begin to search for his replacement.
     

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