picturing you huddled up in front of the tv with 30 seconds to go in that game saying to yourself "sure he got them home field throughout the playoffs after being out of football for a year, sure he will likely win MVP despite throwing the ball to a gaggle of nobodies, sure he has his team up a TD with 30 seconds to go and 70 yards for the opponent to drive, BUT, if the safety can just fall asleep for a play, then john fox can be too stupid to attempt to use the last 30 seconds and 2 timeouts to attempt to drive 30 yards, and peyton can throw a bad INT in double OT...... THEN I CAN CONVINCE MYSELF IN MY MIND THAT I WAS RIGHT!!!" and no, that wasn't your primary objection. was just one of many, all of which you were pretty much wrong on.
abso****inglutely i did. and absolutely nothing has occurred to change my mind one damn iota. you still think matt schaub gives the team the same chance as winning the superbowl as peyton manning???? am i reading that correctly???? why on earth do we need a new qb then? you gonna find one better than peyton manning, aaron rodgers, and drew brees? who in your mind is worth acquiring? just the one who won the most recent superbowl?? yes, changing your tune from starting a thread about how matt schaub is the greatest thing since sliced bread, spitting in the face of doubters and pumping your chest proudly, then saying we need a new qb a couple months later, while somehow refusing to admit you were ever wrong...absolutely makes you certifiably insane.
He was *playing* at an elite level – do you understand the difference? Throughout the thread – any thread – I always conceded that he was below the certified elite QBs. If you don’t think Schaub has regressed, then there's nothing left to talk about. The team was clicking at a pretty optimum level last week against Cincinnati – and I thought he had a mediocre game. This is not about the team being better around him – it’s about him not playing as well. Oh, boy… Let me ask you this: since I think we can both agree that, right or wrong, Gary Kubiak is not going to jettison Matt Schaub: how do you suggest we overcome him? To answer, “By developing better talent around him,” is not some backhanded Schaub endorsement. It’s pretty much the only path available. Other than his opening stretch of games this year where he looked ordinary on the heels of an extraordinary injury - I’ve never said otherwise, re: Peyton Manning. Of course, you’ve never mentioned Flacco prior to him winning a playoff game this weekend – but I guarantee you, most Raven fans would tell you he’s their Matt Schaub (for different reasons) – a maddeningly frustrating QB. He’d be a lateral move. They’re a 4th-and-29 conversion away from having been a wild card – and I promise you, if Ray Rice hadn’t almost single-handedly schooled the entire Charger defense, every person in Baltimore would be STILL be b****ing about big-arm Joe Flacco throwing a 5 yard slant on 4th-and-forever. Show *a little* perspective…
"by developing better talent around him and bide time until somebody in the front office is smart enough to get a new qb", is literally the best we can hope for, other than schaub retiring in the offseason.
Funny how HeyNow seems to dodge the question about the crappy opponents Schaub was 'tearing up' during his elite stretch. Surely, the opponents mean something?
Yep. Peyton Manning’s track record is littered with playoff failure. That he would have additionally cost us Foster and Myers, among others… absolutely. As usual, I have no idea what you’re talking about. New QB? I don’t believe that’s an option – I don’t think a readily better one will be available and I think we can augment Schaub enough by developing a different system to take better advantage of his strengths and/or find/develop better talent around him. I know Schaub is going to dominate discussion *everyday* of this offseason – but another big issue for this team: it lacks playmakers. With Foster or the OL regressing – we pretty much have no big-play possibilities on this team. This is pure gobblegook. Go back to my response to Major – three posts in, I was pretty measured on my opinion of Schaub. And I don’t think we need a new QB – boy, didn’t take you long for you to start making up stuff I’ve said, did it? He was playing well; he’s not currently playing well. Your ilk, which includes ubigred and several others, are so amped to claim an internet victory that you’re having to resort to some bizarro world in which conceding a three months old opinion is no longer valid is somehow “insane.” Sorry, man. It’s not. I don’t know what else I can do here… His play the past however many weeks has given me reason to doubt him.
its time to start planning for the future. start scouting for a franchise level qb and have the balls to spend a high end draft pick on a qb. look at all these qbs succeeding at such an early stage. its no longer taboo for a rookie qb to play well right off the bat. stop scouring the back up late round/ undrafted back pages for dan orlovskys, sage rosenfels, tj yates, and case keenums, and spend a 1-3 round pick. matt schaub is not the answer. let him play out 1 or two years on his contract start grooming the qb of teh future.
In my very post after this this thread was resurrected from the dead, I made mention of him shrinking in the face of increased pressure. I've not dodge the question at all. Everyone is applying January 2013 results to an October 2012 post, which is remarkably unfair. He was on an incredibly productive run. It ended. I now have my dounts about him. Keep in mind: everyone had an opinion - but this is his first taste of meaningful December/January games for Matt Schaub. It's not like he had a long track record of postseason failure I was choosing to ignore. I just refused to write the final chapter before he had his opportunity. I think everyone's upset I'm not trying to defend him - get over it. He had a terrible run to close the season. What else do you want to accomplish here?
huh? it can't be inferred from, at minimum, this: that, if you had your druthers (jan/13, not oct/12, of course), that we would jettison schaub at this point? or are you just doing all you can to wedge your asscrack as tightly onto the fence as possible? who the hell in their right mind would want the qb you are describing (the 1/13 description, i mean, of course)??? "hit their ceiling and can be a liability if the team around him isn't clicking...(hopefully add) some playmakers to the offense to mitigate his shortcomings"? sorry i was "making stuff up". i thought i could safely assume that somebody who thinks so lowly of a qb (presently) would rather have, like, almost anybody else.
But do you agree that Denver lost because of Manning? Its true that it came down to the final seconds and Denver couldnt stop the Ravens, but Manning was responsible for 2 interceptions and a fumble. That's 3 turnovers. If Schaub had done that, this website would have exploded.
no, i don't come close to agreeing. manning had them up 7 with 30 seconds to go and the opponent on their own 30 yard line. that's a win. do i agree that manning ****ed up the game in OT? sure. if Matt Schaub had the Texans up 7 points with 30 seconds to go with a trip to conference championship on the line, and danieal manning's brain exploded and allowed the opponent to throw a 70 yard td, then Matt Schaub threw a bad INT in the ensuing OT(s) and we went on to lose the game, my hand to god, there's no way in hell i would even dream of putting that loss on Matt Schaub. I'd say that Matt Schaub did a great job and had us in a position that would have resulted in a win 99.99999% of the time. I'll take a qb who can get me those odds of going to (and hosting) the conference championship game every time you want to give them to me.
Did you say Manning had them up? Or do you mean Trindon had them up? I'm a big Manning fan, but he played a purely crap game. The Broncos, with a game manager, would have beat the Ravens. The had two return TDs and Manning coughed up the ball 3 times. They were ahead late in the game despite Manning, not bc of Manning.
So what you are saying is that his ultimate success or failure is totally dependent on the system he's in - he can succeed only if the system succeeds. I happen to agree. I also think that he's good enough to win with under these circumstances. After all, Troy Aikman operated under the same parameters and he turned out OK. It is a mistake to expect him to be Joe Montana or Aaron Rogers but he can be successful if he's not asked to be something he's clearly not - a QB who can put this team on his back and elevate them. What has to change is Kubiak's & Wade's philosophical approach to the game. At this point, I see the need for them to rethink their systems and adapt them to what's going on NOW in the league. Kubiak seems to be hell bent on proving that the old Denver offense is the only way to win while Wade needs to alter his system in order to adapt to the changing times (this has been his bugaboo so to speak). I see them as pretty darn close right now but they will need to make a few changes if they expect to continue to be contenders in the AFC which is both doable and possible. Look at it this way: At least they aren't the Cowboys right now.
Injuries hurt, yes but he's right about Wade because that's been his history for a long time now. That's why he called himself "Coach Fixit" when he was up here. They key will be what happens THIS year. Somehow, I have the feeling that this time will be different for Wade.
