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Schaub the ELITE

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Hey Now!, Oct 1, 2012.

  1. Rocket River

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    I thought you said Schaub could Audible out?

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  2. josephnicks

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    this is absolutely the truth. if the question is.... rank the following qbs.. rodgers, brady, brees, peyton, eli, ben, schaub...
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    Yes, doesn't mean I always expect him to.

    Coach should know better.
     
  4. conquistador#11

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    name another 12-4 team who was 2nd in points scored going into the vikings game? and lets not act like foster makes himself disappear from our own 15 yard line and into the opponent's five yard line, nor let's not act like andre and O.D are throwing passes to themselves. Going into those 2 final games, he was playing like the 6th best qb. Some of you people only see what you want to fit your personal opinion. Which since the nfl is a what have you done for me lately league, the criticism is warranted. Just let's not be ignorant.

    It's been a maddening end to the season, but he hasn't forgotten how to play the position.
     
  5. v3.0

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    Sadly it's the fetal position he knows best these days.
     
  6. SWTsig

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    You don't think rg3, matt Ryan, kappernick and Wilson have been playing better than scarab? Get outta here
     
  7. Hey Now!

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    You and I have nothing in common when it comes to watching football. I watch to be entertained and thrilled; you watch in hopes that at least one of the inane, ill-informed opinions you spew like rectal leakage will be right so you can run in here and scream, "TOLDYASO!" Otherwise, why would you be wondering where I was? Do you think I watch convincing victories against the Broncos or Ravens and give you even a milli-second of thought? (I don't.)

    A 16+-game football season is dynamic; changing week-to-week. Do you honestly think I'd run in here after this 4-game stretch and try to claim Schaub is playing at an elite level? Unlike you, who retreats to Moron HQs when things are going well so you can refresh your "yeah but" target-moving dances, I have no issue trashing Schaub when he deserves it. I would even go so far as to say he absolutely looks like he's suffering from an acute case of shrinkage and does not, at this very moment, deserve to be in any "elite" discussion. I will not be shocked if their season ends Saturday, and I'd give them next-to no chance, assuming they beat Cincinnati, of winning in Boston.

    Does this 4-game stretch invalidate the previous 16, when the team went 15-1 and he was playing at an elite level? Nope. I don't think he got bad overnight. Am I small-brained enough to think he's the primary reason for this 4-game stretch? Nope. I'd pin it on the OL, which has suddenly, and inexplicably, become consistently incapable of protecting the QB, opening holes for the RB, and/or completing a game without a devastating penalty.

    I'm as disappointed as any Texan fan that they're playing this weekend; and bewildered how the possibility of hosting the AFC Championship game slipped from through their fingers. But unlike you, I'm not the least bit reveling in it so that my cred on a message board will be validated. Enjoy dancing on the grave of the 2012 Texans. I'm hoping their death notice is premature.

    (Donny - I have to spread the reputation around - but yeoman's work in here, man. You've acquitted yourself quite nicely. It's a shame a sheen of Schaub-Hate is blinding too many of these knuckleheads.)
     
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  8. conquistador#11

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    I said going into week 15, taking the whole body of work. Because unlike what the detractors like to think, schaub is just as responsible for those victories as anyone. those 4 yard td runs by foster, they happen because schaub and his targets get there. Matt ryan had a bad stretch of games, 5 ints, followed by a 1 td game. I just think you people like to change standards around to fit your views that he sucks.

    I'll just wait to see him in the playoffs. if he can't get it done, then that's that. I thought for you people; it wasn't about the regular season. at least that what you guys said when he piling up yards and qbr.
     
  9. primtim24

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    It's like he's turned into the next Tim Tebow around here with the way it's divided the fan base. How about we predict how many catches AJ Green has against our depleted secondary, or how many yards/carry Arian has. Why do we have to predict solely on Matt Schaub?

    Neat-o stat of the day: In 2010 when the Texans fielded one of the worst pass defenses in the history of the NFL, we gave up 26.7 ppg, over the last 7 games of the season we have given up 30.1 ppg. In our 4 losses this season, per rush we're averaging 3.2(Green Bay), 3.7(New England), 2.1(Minnesota), and 5.1(Pagano Game). I understand that Matt Schaub isn't the best, (heck he's probably not even top-10), but he isn't our only problem.....
     
  10. SwoLy-D

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    He's been OFF on throws in the games you pointed out. :eek: Even if the running game isn't there, he must make the best of his opportunities. I am not blaming only Schaub for the losses, only pointing out that he too has had off days when we've lost. Point in case is the New England game. His third-down efficiency was low and most of his off incomplete passes were his own fault, not the receivers. If the running game isn't working, nothing else will, I believe.. in offense, anyway.

    I still believe in Schaub.
     
  11. jbasket

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    I have an odd feeling he will let Matt Schaub have more of the reins on the offense. Just a feeling.
     
  12. Rocket River

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    We can hope

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  13. emjohn

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    FWIW, Football Outsiders' final rankings for the year peg Matt as either the 12th (DYAR weighted) or 14th (QBR weighted) best QB this season.
    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2012

    2011: 10 or 6
    2010: 8 or 16
    2009: 6 or 5

    I agree O-Line is a big issue for his last several games, but they had nothing to do with his INTs or other ball placement issues.

    We all know Kubiak well enough to know that there's not a chance in hell he would dump Schaub this offseason. They also aren't going to draft a QB on day one and probably not day two. And the guys they have drafted in Kubiak's time here have all struck a similar profile - I don't see this team looking for electric playmakers.

    Schaub is who he is, and in his entire time here he's been a guy that can only produce to the level of the offense around him - he doesn't make receivers better.

    The real question becomes:
    Will this offensive line play better next year as a seasoned group?
    Will Posey/Jean/Martin develop into a serious corps behind Andre?
    Are Casey/Graham enough next to OD?

    Rick Smith did well the last couple of drafts, but the pressure is probably going to stay on him this April.
     
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  14. Rocket River

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    Here is my issue.
    Not only will Schuab stay but he is penciled in as the QB
    There will no NO COMPETITION. PERIOD. TJ could turn into Tom Brady
    IT won't matter .. . Schaub is Kubes's guy . . and that is all that there is.

    Since Dre was here Pre Kubiak . . . have we developed *any* receiver?

    Rocket River
     
  15. Major

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    To be fair, there's not many QB competitions on teams that are winning or having average-to-above-average QBs. Tom Brady got the job due to injury - he didn't win it in a competition with Drew Bledsoe. Vick, in his great sesaon a few years ago, only got the job when Kolb was injured. Kaepernick is probably the closest example of taking the job from a good/winning QB, but even he only got the job after Smith got injured.

    I'm not a Kubiak fan at all, but he's not out of the norm on this particular issue. The only way Schaub gets replaced is injury or trade/signing for a legit top-tier QB (or QB prospect) and trading/releasing Schaub.
     
  16. DonkeyMagic

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    Well put. The "competition" argument is a terrible one.
     
  17. jbasket

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    We are kind of in the middle of developing three receivers, at the perfect time to replace AJ after his downfall. I think they could not have done it any better or at a better time (except for drafting three Jerry Rice's, but realistically speaking).
     
  18. SWTsig

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    should schaub continue his struggles in the post season there is absolutely ZERO reason QB is an open competition next training camp. ZERO. take a page from the niners and seahawks and give the job to the player that is going to produce results, "loyalty" be damned. i understand you may not have that QB on the roster now but it needs to play out on the field, not in kubiaks head... far too often he has proven incapable of making the necessary changes if it means relinquishing his guys or his gameplan.
     
  19. HR Dept

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    I'm looking forward to the draft and the Texans addressing the offense. TE especially.
     
  20. jbasket

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    Or you turn into the Cardinals. I don't know why everyone is so convinced with Kaepernick. What has he done so special?
     

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