Schaub isn't elite. That should be pretty obvious. Can he reach elite status? Maybe. Right now he's really good, borderline great. He leads unbelievable come backs against the jaguars and Lions but flops against the patriots. He throws into double coverage in the end zone for a pick. That's a rookie mistake but Schaub is still making it. It's like Jeckle and Hyde with him. I haven't really voiced an opinion on Schaub but I honestly don't think he can be a Super Bowl winning quarterback. I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see it. Once he gets rattled during the game he's not the same. And I know there's many that say "we got Foster, Schaub doesn't have to be elite". Foster is one hell of a running back, but you can't rely on him every single play. There has to be a balanced attack and over the past few weeks the Texans haven't shown that. If we wanna reach the Super Bowl this year, Schaub is gonna have to make some spectacular plays and throws. Can he do it? I hope so.
2005 should hardly count. He wasn't that good back then, and it was his 2nd season. 2006 he drove the team 80 yards to tie the game in the 4th quarter, and never got the ball back as Phily held the ball for the final 5 minutes and kicked the game winner. 2008 was a disaster.
My point is that before 2007. absolutely nobody would have said he was elite. Even after then and before last year, people still had questions about him. If the Texans make it to the superbowl and Schaub plays well, same thing will happen.
being elite starts and ends with a qbs skillsets, those skills either transfer into mvp like numbers or they waste away like weve seen so many gifted qbs do.. schaub has a very below-average skillset, mediocre arm, and no mobility. his best attribute is football iq. hes made the most of his mediocre tools in the texans system which is designed to keep all the decision making out of the qbs hands. the pass plays are designed to get guys open, its set up by the stretch run, and if no one is open he throws it away... hes a system qb in every sense of the phrase. i believe there is an endless list of qbs who could thrive in this system, given the opportunity based on skillset alone. its tough to say wether or not they could pick up every nuance of this playbook the way schaub has. the texans dont have 6 years to waste on trying to find a new qb and have him catch up to schaub..
Big Ben in his 2nd year was not "elite". As a matter of fact Roethlisberger had one of the worst passing games of his career in the Superbowl completing just nine of 21 passes for 123 yards and two interceptions; his passer rating of 22.6 was the lowest in Super Bowl history by a winning quarterback. That's how great the Steelers D was. The problem with Schaub is that he's never even been on the big stage. It's laughable to call someone elite when they haven't even played a single post-season game. The conversation should end there but I'll play for fun. Every time I see Schaub on the big stage he comes up small and when he faces other true ELITE QB's he can't hang with them. He looks good when the competition is weak and the defense is playing up to their capability and all he has to do is manage the game.
I agree but disagree. I think he has been rattle before, and responded well. For example, he took some vicious shots and was rattled, mentally and physically, and had one of his best games as a pro. Everybody played bad against the Pats, except a couple.
I'm sorry...but anybody who thinks Matt Schaub is an elite quarterback simply does not know what an elite quarterback is. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, and Big Ben are elite. Matt Schaub isn't even close to them.
He has thrown for over 4k yards twice. Had 2 seasons with QB rating over 100. He's gone over 30TDs once. He's had an amazing SB winning drive. He's been to 3 SBs, winning 2 (though the first one was in spite of Ben). I'd say he is behind the others, but still elite.
You sure? I'll say that he's definitely behind the other 4, but he's still definitely elite and definitely worthy of at least a mention with those others. He's got 2 rings, makes COUNTLESS numbers of plays, and while his stats don't exactly hold up, he is a winner.
I hate to admit it, because I hate the Steelers, but big Ben is elite. He's a nightmare to bring down, and he's got a cannon. He always seems to step up when the game is on the line as well. He might not be up there with Brady, Brees, or Manning but he's close.
its not playoff intensity. if you get in his face he gets rattled. i don't think its mental, its physical, dude is just average. his arm cannot defeat wilfork comming at his chest.
Whose arm can? Record wise it's been Flacco, Wilson and Kolb. Kolb being the only one to do it in Foxboro, and Seattle and Baltimore are two big homefield advantages. Wilfork is playing great football this season, and is probably the best NT in the league.
if you get in any qb's face they will get rattled. your elite have thrown clunkers in playoffs games when they have faced a defense that was performing on all cylinders. why is this so difficult? like i'm on crazy pills hitting repeat. it's ridiculous that some think these elite guys have won superbowls by themselves like if it was a fantasy football league. somewhere along the line, Raji had to pick off a pass and run it back for a Td to erase state farm's 2 interception game or the ravens kicker saving brady's 50 qbr last season's playoffs. examples go on You better hope, like i am, that the right side gets their act together. I'm banning myself from this topic. will be back when we kickoff against the "elite" in the Afc championship game.
keep making excuses for the man.. like someone said he isnt young anymore, what hes done is what he will always do. ive seen the guy get rattled in week 6 against an average defense. schaub is a good qb, thats where it ends. for schaub so many things have to go right for him to be effective, when the other team fights back and changes our gameplan hes useless and we end up getting waxed unless the other team pulls off the gas.. new england and green bay isnt the first time this has happened.. for the texans to win a superbowl its gonna come down to the qb, schuab will have to do a ton of things hes never done before. im not convinced he has the skillset to do these type of things.. i do believe he is the weak leak of this team when its all said and done. HFA wont mean anything, you think payton/brady/roethlisberger have never been on the road in the playoffs?
Like others just mentioned, all qbs get rattled and it's not like Schaub goes into shell shock when he gets pressured...he's just a sitting duck because he isn't very mobile. And no ones arm can defeat a 350 dude hitting him in the chest. That doesn't even make sense. Average? Guess it depends on you definition of average but Schaub has been a top 8-12 QB in the league. I don't consider that average. He's better than average.
peyton manning gets by on this because he gets rid of the ball quickly. schaub needs to rely on his intellgance and his feel for the game rather than super fan making excuses.
