flacco was so close to elite last year. too bad his receiver dropped the game winning TD in the AFC championship.
Brady, Roethlisberger, and Manning weren't elite when they won the first one. Warner had an elite season, but he was indeed a nobody. Of course, none of them were 32 when they reached elite status. We should add that Jake Delhomme, Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, & Rex Grossman have made super bowls. If not for terrible officiating, Hasselbeck at least stood a good chance at winning, plus McNabb & Delhomme came very close. Winning a title won't make Schaub elite. Coming up with big plays through the postseason could. Even then he'd probably need to win another or put up huge numbers in the future.
Why is it hard for certain people to grasp the fact that an "elite" qb will fail against a defense that brings their A game? That's when the other phases of the game have to step up. like i've said numerous times, when the "elite" ACTUALLY WON their superbowls, their numbers were equal to or less than schaub's, but most importantly their teams found their ground attack and opportunistic defenses that caused chaos to O-lines. What the ubigreds of the internet need to worry about is getting our trenches patched up and ready to go for the playoffs, because that's what it really comes down to in January. oh and pray that special teams don't bite us in the arse as they did with the 49ers and ravens last year. I can apply bizzaro ubigred logic to every quarterback: bigben -kind of sucks without a line. Aaron- what has he won without help? 8-8, one and done, one and done again. Peyton- no bob sanders no winz. lolz 3-6 in the first 8 years in the playoffs, omg! playoffs? Brady- life was easier when he didn't have to throw every down. Brees and Sean payton- miss playoffs, miss playoffs,divisional win, miss playoffs(i don't think they will get in this year) Schaub- ZERO wins in the playoffs! loser. all that said, and I still have schaub as the 6th best qb in the league. It hasn't changed since this thread began. But I've watched enough from him to know that on any sunday he can do what the elite can do. yes, he has to have a line neutralize the pass rush and a defense. I know..mind blowing.
the reason the Patriots won the AFC championship last year is because of the drop by the receiver in the endzone. Flacco would have been in the Super Bowl and if he won, some here would certainly call him elite just because of it.
As long as its not sunday night or MNF, cause as he has demonstrated throughout this year he does not bring his 'A' game for primetime games. QB rating of 5 primetime games......drum role.............. 1st @ Jets 71.9 2nd vs Packers 56.6 3rd@ Bears 42 4th@ Detroit 78.0 5th@Patriots 68.8. And unfortunately the SUPERBOWL is a PRIMETIME GAME. People may not like it but I think there is a word for this, cough cough cough (choking)...
The team won 3 of those 5 games, Genius. It may have not been pretty, but he did what he had to do to get the W in 3 out of those 5.
Again not to take anything away from those wins but they won 3/5 against the Jets (who are horrible), the Bears (who are going through a melt down) and the Lions (nuff said). Those wins came in spite of Matt Schaub, against the Jets he had 1TD and 1Int, against the Bears he had 1TD and 2INT and against the Lions (where we scored 34 points) he had 1TD and 1Int. Do I have to remind you of his QBR for these games. We won those game in spite of matt schaub. Now, can he be good? Ofcourse as it was seen in the Denver game early this year. He took a beating and played GREAT against a team better than those 3 teams we beat on primetime. He had 4TD's and 1Int with a QBR of 115.3 AT DENVER!!!!!!! The only difference is that this game was not on PRIMETIME. The losses on primetime came, against 2 teams with great QB's. And we needed more than 'he did what he had to do to get the W' in these 2 games. He was pitiful, and I believe its because he saw 2 great QB's at work and broke under pressure once he saw them going up and down the field. He had 0 TD's and 3 INT in these 2 games, genius.
I am pretty sure that he gives 2 ****s about who is QBing on the other side of the field. He was far from perfect in the 2 defeats, but to blame that squarely on him is extremely convenient for those that have an axe to grind. I guess it his fault that Jean cannot haul in a perfectly placed pass that would have gone for a big gain? And that Walter cannot haul in a gimme 4th down conversion. There are plenty of other factors that led to the complete dismantling of the Texans in these 2 games, but Schaub haters only see one thing to complain about. And BTW.....The Jets are a fringe playoff team who nearly beat the all-world Patriots so to label them as "horrible" to discredit Schaub is as I have already stated....convenient for Schaub haters who have an axe to grind.
So you use QBR to rate a QB, not winning percentage? His TD numbers aren't higher because Arian Foster is almost automatic in the red zone. He outplayed Jay Cutler for a half, and Matt Stafford for a whole game. The primetime deal is not just with Schaub, it's the whole team. Tom Brady and Rodgers carved up the Texans' defense in ways Manning didn't. The D-line wasnt getting pressure and the o-line wasn't keeping Schaub from the dirt. I put those two losses on the coaches. When the Texans are down 21-0, they change their gameplan and go desperately pass-happy. They usually play much better when they can balance the run and the pass plays.
How am I a hater. I'm telling you what i saw and the stats from those 2 games. Don't get your panties in a knot cause I'm saying something that you don't like. I also said So how am I a hater, I'm going based of stats and performance. I'm not saying, 'OH MATT SCHAUB SUCKS ASS'. Just saying he does not perform his best in primetime games, he actually plays his worst games in primetime. So you can take that for what its worth.
He didn't have Arian Foster for most of his career. Arian Foster appears to have little negative effect on his TD passes. 29 is his career high, and he is at 21 right now. There is no exact way to measure a QB. I'm starting to really like ESPN's Total QBR system, which I thought was crazy at first.
I still don't understand why this is made so complicated. Is it possible to win with Schaub? Yes. Is he the type that can routinely carry the team? No. Is Schaub very good? Yes. I don't think anyone relatively sane would disagree with any of those statements/ He's no elite although he can play like it at time. He is a top 10ish QB and it's not impossible to win with a guy like that
You've got these 6 elite players Brady Rodgers Peyton Brees Roethlisberger Eli RGIII looks like he is there, but not enough games to put him up there. Schaub would probably fit as #8 for me right now. Of course the distance from 8 to 15 isn't great. Lots of good QBs in this league. Texans were my SB favorites before their defense started falling apart. I'd put them 3rd behind the Pats & Broncos now. Though you can't trust Peyton in the playoffs.
If you mixed Eli & Peyton, you'd have the GOAT. Peyton has the amazing stats and records, and Eli has the big plays in the brightest moments. As miraculous as the Tyree's catch was, it is more amazing that Eli stayed on his feet.
He's been average in the postseason save the two superbowl seasons. QB Rate in the postseason in '05, '06, and '08: 35.7, 85.6, 40.7. In '07 and '11: 95.7 and 103.3. Missed the playoffs in '09, and '10 (25 INTs in reg season).
