Matt is a decent QB whose play is elevated by the players around him, he is not the type of QB that elevates others, he is on the same level as Romo. He is not clutch, he is not elite, but he is above average, and he needs help. DD
Home from the game. We all thought Schaub would have had an easy touchdown but now that I see the hightlight of that play he wouldn't have come close to making it had he ran. Would have been tackled by #33 who rushed him to throw at that moment. http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d822f7cdd/Wk-5-Can-t-Miss-Play-Emotional-finish That ball needed to be arched to the back of the endzone and maybe Jones could have made a leaping grab.
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Usually, when a team has a QB that isn't above average, they will say "as long as the QB makes plays without beating ourselves" then they think the QB is "good enough". Trent Dilfer comes to mind. So the question can be raised... does Schaub make too many mistakes that end up beating ourselves? Up until this game I was giving Schaub the benefit of the doubt. But... seeing him attempt that push pass at the end. It wasn't just the indecision (run? pass?) but compounding the mistake with a bad mechanical mistake.
Watching the DVR replay of the final play frame by frame, Jones had his man sealed and Schaub was throwing to an area where Jones momentum should have taken him. Instead Jones bailed for the corner of the end zone. Any other receiver, i.e. AJ, Daniels, Walter, Dressen, would have likely read that play correctly and would not have given the defensive player the opportunity to come over the top. Schaub would not have scored had he run. If there was a mistake made by him it was that he had time to throw the ball out of bounds as soon as the play was busted. Clock would have been stopped with a second or two and would have allowed the offense to run one more play.
solid post. He made some bad mistakes in taking sacks and stuff, but that last play..he did just about all he could. Miscommunication between them 2, but it could have worked out if Jacoby did what Schaub thought he would
You continue to move the target; now it's "close and late" situations against good teams that he wins? This is included because, after the pick-6, he drove the team to the 1 and watched his RB gagged 4 straight times. And another part of this is overcoming boneheadedness, which is what he did here, putting his team in position to tie. Is it his fault Brown missed a 49-yard FG? Counting it? I listed the 10 games that met *your* criteria. If you'd bother reading my posts, I clearly counted this as an failure on his part. Yes; did you bother to note how good he had been in the 4Q, making the final drive possible? Did you read my post? Have you bothered to look at the game-ending INT? Schaub doesn't play CB. Again, because it met *your* criteria. And, again, he failed. I mentioned as much. You, earlier: "As I and Dada have pointed out, part of the boneheadedness is making mistakes to put us in these situations in the first place." Does it only count if he screws up earlier? Kind of selective, don't you think? Yes, his 63rd pass was picked - did you pay *any* attention to the previous 62? Football is a team game, Icehouse. If you're going to hold him accountable for pick-6s - why aren't the K(CH)ris Browns, et al, being held responsible for their failures? The Arizona game didn't end on a pick-6. He drove the team back down the field and had it at the goal line as time expired. And there is no pick-6 against Baltimore if he isn't lights-out in the 4Q. You can't selectively pick and choose moments to consider. He was *sensational* in the 4Q against Baltimore - why does that not count for anything? [qoute=IchouseThose big moments against bad teams shows that he can get it done against bad teams. The multiple errors and failures against good teams shows that he typically doesn't get it done against good teams. Seems pretty basic to me and the evidence supports that.[/QUOTE] Again, you're being awfully selective. If the team is bad, it doesn't count; if the team lost, it doesn't count... you keep widdling it down further and further until there's just a nub left. Take today, for instance. Bad final pass. Poor decision by JJ to sit and not run to open space (he misses AJ, obviously) - but Schaub chucked it. No doubt. BUT... are we going to ignore Vickers dropping a sure TD? That's where the pro-Schaub crowd differs - I will readily admit he was awful in the 4Q against the Saints and made a poor throw today on the final play. But I'm willing to give him credit for there being a final play; recognize that his teammates failed, too (Vickers' drop and Rackers' miss *really* killed them - that turns into a last-second FG attempt otherwise.) And I'm also not setting much too high a standard. Every QB is going to fail. More than once. This idea he can't is silly. As is this idea he apparently doesn't have teammates.
repped. Very accurate description. Like i mentioned before it was a miscommunication and without blaming one person (because there is plenty of fault) JJ put schaub in a bad situation i.e. show him one target but then bail to another
BS dude, I haven't moved jack. Go back and look at my posts and it's been pretty clear that I'm referring to getting things done against winning teams. It's why I pointed out all the teams with a losing record. It's why I highlighted that we see comebacks against bad teams and mistakes against good ones. It's why I tried to note what I considered a winning team to be (winning record, playoff contention). This has even been clarified in previous responses to you. No, today's game wasn't all his fault. But he did make a boneheaded play to end the game....again. Go read the game thread....no one thinks that's "clutch". If you make great plays to bring us to the one and then throw a dumb pick then yes, you blew the game. If you drop 65 and miss the game winning FT then yes you blew the game. It's not that complex. What happened today was a pefrect example. No he didn't lose the game on his own. No one has ever stated that he is doing that. What I'm stating is that because of dumb ish like what happened today, which wasn't a surprise to anyone (that speaks volumes), I feel more nervous than confident in big moments with this dude behind center.
I was disappointed matt didn't go diving for an attempted qb td scramble, but we saw last week , in big ben,how average an elite qb can look when the line is doing the Ole. Give the Raiders D line some f'n credit. They made our O line look like the JV squad.
Of course, had Schaub completed the pass, or ran it in(even though he would have had to go through at least one Raider to get there) there would then be the dismissal of the whole thing because the Raiders aren't a "good team".
Thie above is absolutely correct. Every Texan fan knows it...feels it...and has to admit the truth of it.
I get those nervous feelings as well. But it's not all about Schaub. It's about the Texans. Who will fumble, false start, fall down, hold, drop the pass, or generally screw it up when the Texans have to go down the field on that last drive?
