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Saudis Will Behead and Crucify 21-Year Old for Democratic Protest at Age 17

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Cohete Rojo, Sep 23, 2015.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    The smart strategy would be to get out of the country before pointing out the abuses of the country.....but it's not as effective. Movements need people like this that are willing to die to speak out. It just sucks to be them.
     
  2. malakas

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    I have been disgusted every single time a 14 y.o or 13 yo is trialled as adut. Every time.
    The title and the article emphasized the age of the victim. At age 17. It's highly ironic when it happens in the western world just the same.
    Why include the age at all?

    Great for progress but not great for being a hypocrite and not looking first at home. Just ten years ago it could happen in the USA according to the law.
    I don't even single out usa. I try to do the same with my country.
    Before being outraged about another country's "barbaric" customs and laws let's see your own customs and laws.

    Many people find capital punishment itself immoral when giving the state the power to murder. Execution in the end is execution. A state that murders their citizen remains a murderer whether it's done by beheading or a chair or an injection.
    If you found my previous post a kind of antiamerican propaganda that's your own issue coz it wasn't. Hypocrisy and moral "high horse" doesn't know borders.
     
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    Are things ever gonna change in Saudi? Unlikely for a very long time if ever. What a **** hole.
     
  4. bnb

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    I am strongly against capital punishment in all cases.

    But executing a 17yo for participating in a demonstration is particularly heinous. I think we should speak out about it regardless of what's happening at home. And we punish our miscreants by cuffing and suspending them, then showering them with gifts, hashtag support, whitehouse visits and internships at top companies.

    We shouldn't dismiss it as simply saudis gon saudi. (though that was an awesome, reppable line). And we should speak out against our allies. Even more louder. Like up to eleven louder.
     
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    This is the same government that is going to insha Allah away responsibility of looking into the cause of a recent stampede that killed over 700.
     
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    what kind of "link"? Did he personally participate in any bombings?
     
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    Basicly if Iran ordered shiea's sleeping cell in the Gulf to do anything,they will. khamini is the holy idol's figure for them on earth.

    This is a tube of how those peaceful demonstration really was.

    [youtube]zU6DzYbo_go[/youtube]
     
  8. Carl Herrera

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    But what did this specific guy actually do? Did he personally kill anyone, or participate in plotting any bombing or murder? If not, should a person be executed simply for being a member of the group who has carried out violent acts? Should a person be executed because he has the potential to kill if Iran is to order him to do so?
     
  9. Bobbythegreat

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    Probably not, it's a full on rentier state, and a really rich one at that. When you essentially don't need your population to keep your country rich, there's no incentive to listen to their voice. Also, since they don't really tax their citizens and they provide TONS of free stuff to their civilians, you can be sure that they'll keep enough of them happy to crush the few that are unhappy.

    Pretty much the only thing that would change Saudi Arabia would be if they ran out of oil or if there was an invasion and overthrow of the government.
     
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    No, our laws are not equally crazy. Please show may a link of where a 17 year old in the United States has been sentenced to death and crucifixion for protesting?

    No nation is perfect, even highly progressive Scandinavian countries have done things they are ashamed of. However that doesn't in anyway excuse what is happening in Saudi Arabia and a majority of the Middle East. It isn't politically correct, but large areas of that region are barbaric and 200-500 years behind the judicial system of the West.

    Honestly a 50 year old man could protest and I would have an objection to him being sentenced to death and crucifixion.

    Your log is bunk.... Hey, I know you don't beat your children, but I saw you yell at them once.... So blah blah glass houses.
     
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    Like the dude who quits smoking and suddenly becomes the most aggrieved person in the room at the slightest hint of smoke, when all the nonsmokers around the room were taking his militant smoking attitude in stride last week.

    The idea that the US Supreme Court makes a ruling and what was perfectly moral in both the USA & Saudi Arabia last week becomes a heinous immoral travesty in Saudi Arabia is amusing.

    Glad you had a revelation. The rest of the universe doesn't rotate around your mood swings.
     
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    Since you are self proclaim a legal expert, did you learn to listen to the full story before you make a judgment!!!
     
  14. Bobbythegreat

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    You are comparing apples to hand grenades here. The US once executed people for crimes committed as minors, but what crimes where they? Did the US execute minors for speaking out against the government? Of course not.

    Executing someone for a murder spree at 17 isn't anywhere near as controversial....in fact, I'd be willing to bet that a large percentage of the population would support it even now if SCOTUS hadn't ruled against it.

    There's also a difference between execution methods, but don't let crazy things like facts get in the way of a point you think you can make.
     
  15. malakas

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    The example should be: you used to beat your children too, but now you don't and you ask for everyone who does to get punished.
    (I'm sorry but just a clarification by log you mean logic right? )
    And it isn't even 200 hundreds year behind when it comes to capital punishment of minors. Just 10.

    I'm outraged by this and so should be you and everyone. But where's the outrage when 14 and 13 yo minors are trialled as adults in the western world? Is their prefrontal cortex suddendly developed like an adults'? If it's unconstitutiona for one kind of punishment like an adult why not for the other?
    Seems pretty barbaric to me too.
    What about the barbarism in waterboarding , light and other tortures? Imprisonment without having trials?
    Seems crazy right?
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    No, that doesn't work because America has never crucified anyone for speaking out against the government when they were a minor. Simply hasn't ever happened.
     
  17. malakas

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    The barbarism is in the murder by the state of kids. You can use an axe, a knife a rope whatever. Murder is murder. Of children. (minors). The end.
    I am sure also many saudis support this beheading so? Does that make it less "barbaric" ? Because as you are willing to bet, a large percentage would support it , it makes it less barbaric?
    Ok.
     
  18. malakas

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    Barbarism is a horrible word. It is so arrogant and short sighted.
     
  19. Bobbythegreat

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    I would argue that it's not barbaric to put a mass murderer down by lethal injection even if they started killing as a minor. If you can't see the difference between that and crucifying someone for dissent....well that's your problem.
     
  20. malakas

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    I would argue that to me this is "barbaric".
    As disgusting to me is Singapore. As is this case.

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    The crucifixion will be done pre or post mortem? Is this a common way of executing? I thought they used other measures.
     

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