Actually that would turn into a sad nuclear war. Israel is not going anywhere and the sooner the middle east realizes it the sooner peace can be had in that region. I agree the ejection of the people's would be terrible, and hope a peaceful solution can be found whereas there are seperate countries for both the Palestinians and the Israelis.... DD
Agree. It would be more logical to just irradiate the border from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico (with a few well-guarded entry/exit points). Drug smugglers or illegals brave or stupid enough to cross illegally would glow in the dark and would be easy to find.
I would be okay with it if they followed the model I proposed. Basically invoking eminent domain (aka compulsory purchase, expropriation) for security purposes to buy the Palestinians off of the land for fair market value (or the Black African Darfurians, or the Bosnian Serbs, or whoever). I don't condone what the Bosnian Serbs and the Sudanese government have actually done, which is less deportation and more genocide. I simply recognize that at times there is no real hope of a solution whereby the people can live together in harmony, so it becomes necessary for one group to leave. When such a situation occurs, and both sides have reasonable claims to the area, then it only makes sense that the more powerful group gets to stay, as it would be pretty much impossible for the less powerful group to drive them out.
So was the South African programs to re-locate native Africans into "townships" ok? It basically was the same logic that the Israelis are using today. Those townships were entirely autonomous entities that were basically locked out in a similar fashion to the Palestinian territories today. Also, what's fair market value? The South African government gave "compensation" in their mind for the land they took, but that amounted to pennies and minimal value for the land actually taken. It still seems ridiculous to me that they could just forcefully relocate a people that really had no say in the peace process in the first place. Until the Oslo Accords, the Israelis refused to negotiate with Palestinians in the first place. Up until then, they were negotiating with Egypt and Jordan who put their own interests above the Palestinians and routinely screwed them over in whatever negotiations took place.
Are they OK? Well, of course not. And, if Israel decided to annex the captured lands and expell the Palestinians, that would be horrible too. A 2 state solution and a giant wall is the best solution. If 2 children are bickering over a toy, take away the toy. Take away the Palestinian work force in Israel and both sides learn a lesson in humility. DD
But here's the thing. The South African government did the same thing. The native African population was spread out throughout the country but in an attempt to "secure their livelihoods" the local Afrikaner population created townships that would give native Africans autonomy from the rest of South Africa in a similar manner to the Palestinian territories. These territories were chosen on terms acceptable only to the Afrikaner population. (as opposed to the native Africans) and just created dense segments of poverty since the South African government could control borders however they liked and also controlled the flow of resources (ala Israel today). And the wall would be fine if it weren't so arbitrary. That's the issue. Israel is literally artifically creating new boundaries in the same manner South Africa created its townships. And these borders are ruining the livelihood of local Palestinians and Israel still controls the borders and the flow of resources and money into Palestine. (The PLA has years of import duties that the Israelis have frozen and have denied access to for example..)
And if they don't want to sell? The problem with this scenario is that people have strong ties to their land, some might say irrational ties to their land but that's human nature. You're argument is essentially might makes right which can lead to no end of brutality. While you claim you don't support genocide for such a tactic to be effective genocide, or something that is practically indistinguishable, will have to be part of it.
