Saudi Rape Victim To Get Additional 110 Lashes For Speaking to News Media

The law is their religion.

 

The point is that you shouldn't judge a whole religion on its most extreme practitioners.

 

Other than one poster I haven't noticed anyone defending Saudi Arabia although there are posters subscribing to the idea that Islam is a cancer. Whether you are or not your response to pgabriel was in the context of that statement. Pgabriel's point was that Islam shouldn't be judged on the basis of Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia should be judged on the basis of Saudi Arabia which if you agree I don't see what disagreement you had with Pgabriel other than misunderstanding his point.

 

True Malaysia has its own problems and its far from perfect that said in the context of applying Islam to a culture and government shows that Islam need not lead to the most extreme practices.

FYI there is no evidence that burnings of Christian churches in Malaysia is sanctioned by the government. While there are certainly extremists Muslims in Malaysia they aren't the government and my understanding of Malaysian law is that it is very strict about sectarian strife.

 

And that has what to do with this thread? Nothing.



D&D. Attempt Civility!

Impeach Bush for Holding Hands with an Idiot.

 

Okay, I usually find your D&D signoff line boring and forced, but this one made me laugh .

 

Jackie, I've said this many times, but in fairness, maybe you missed it. I do that as a reminder to myself and everyone else to try and kept things under control, civility wise, in D&D. I started doing it when it looked like the forum would be shut down. I've never claimed to be a "role model" for civility here. Not at all, despite some saying I do it with more than a small dose of hypocrisy.

I type every one of those damn things. Quit for a while because I got tired of it, but attitudes in D&D have worsened again, so here they are. Honestly, if someone doesn't like it, they should just scroll past them. I seriously don't care. My main interest is keeping D&D, because I'm a political junkie, and some of the members here are fun to discuss things with. My primary interest in the BBS in general is, of course, the Rockets. I don't post as much in the GARM as I might, just because it's flooded with BS from noobs (and some are welcome additions... some of them) more interested in accusing each other, or the coaching staff, of being "haters" (whatever that means), or "(fill in the blank) only fans." You're accused of bias making a comment, when it is really an observation without an agenda. Gets pretty tiresome. So mostly I read the good stuff and blow past the crap. (I'm a fast reader)

I hope that clears things up a bit.




D&D. Attempt Civility!

Impeach Bush for Holding Hands with an Idiot.

 

Great. So we're in agreement that you can Criticize the Saudis without criticizing all Muslims. It also seems that you had no real objections to the post you were originally responding to. You said you didn't understand what was being said in that post, so I explained it again. If you didn't have any objection to what was being said, then you really shouldn't have responded to it.

It's a point that needed to be made becuase there have been statements made in this thread (I never accused you of making them) that said things like "Islam is a cancer" based solely on the oppression in Saudi Arabia.

 

Near as I can tell, without going back and re-reading this whole thread, pretty much only one person (Meowgi) made this statement and continues to defended it.

However, there were several pages involving a Muslim (adeelsiddiqi<-- sp?) defending this atrocity with such tripe as the women 'don't want to work/drive/walk down the street alone anyway', and that this somehow justifies the actual laws that are in place to continue their oppression. And if you think that such oppression is limited to only the Saudi version of Islam, you're either a blind fanatic or an idiot.

Such propaganda nonsense has been used ad nauseum by the KKK and the Nazi's to oppress, torture, and murder those with whom they disagreed and/or thought of as "lesser" people.

I do think its rather typical of Muslim apologists to defend anything Muslim. Yaozer had the courage, as a Muslim, to speak against this, and if memory serves, someone came down of him for doing so (but I could be wrong on that point).

I consider myself to be an agnostic. A 'spiritual agnostic,' to put it better. I've studied the mythologies of various cultures mostly as a hobby for most of my life. I whole-heartedly believe that Islam is, of itself, a beautiful piece of the mythology of a culture. However, I also whole-heartedly believe that Islam has been bastardized and corrupted in a large enough extent that a significant number of its followers (please note that I didn't say "all Muslims") actually believe that they are doing the work of God when they fly airplanes into buildings, blow up schools, malls, and other buildings, run over a hungry child's hand for stealing bread, and flog a 19 year old girl who was gang-raped.

Christianity (and every religion the world has ever known) has its faults and crazy-ass followers as well, and if such atrocities were being conducted today by any semblance of a significant population of a given religion, I'd be saying the same thing about them that I am about Islam:

Any religion that supports such brutality has something seriously wrong with it. Islam all by itself may not be an evil thing, but enough of its followers are doing their best to change that.

 

No, I have previously read your rationale behind it. I still find it boring and forced in general. However, this one made me laugh.

 

are muslim women oppressed in the united states?

 

Edit: I think I misunderstood your post. Nevermind.

 

Yep. I believe there are still segregated mosques in the US, and I am sure there are some families that require the women to be covered, at least with a hijab (some women claim to choose to wear a hijab, and some percentage of those probably do actually have the choice).

 

What he said.

Women in the United States are also protected by rule of law, not religious dogma dictated by some government interpretation or a government-sanctioned cleric's interpretation.

 

but the woman has a right to follow that belief or not attend that mosque. they are not legally obligated, that's the difference.

right now there is a thread on christian churches not giving the same authority to women as men. right now in the catholic church in this country a woman can't be a priest which could be viewed as job discrimination.

 

And you are bringing this up in a thread about barbaric discrimination and punishment in Saudi Arabia because...?

Are you trying to relativize what's happening in Saudi Arabia by stating that women cannot be priests in the Catholic church?

If not, what is the point of bringing this up in this thread?

 

possibly because in every thread that is critical toward another country/culture/religion someone always tries to throw it back by claiming the United States has no moral authority to criticize since something similar has happened/is happening in the US.

Kind of a preemptive strike if you will (something our baboon of a president knows something about)

 

Yeah that would have been my guess, too, but how would that even be similar (women not being able to become priests <-> women getting 100 lashes because they are in a car alone with men)?

 

because someone said the problem is islam, and i'm saying that the problem is their law is not separate from church. if you paid attention to the umpteen times I've said that, you wouldn't be

no one is criticizing the us, the us obviously has the better system. show me where I criticized it.

 

no ones criticizing the us, see above post. what i'm criticizing is the religious authority in the saudia arabia