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SAS 1st take: Deandre Jordan wants to go to Houston

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by riko, Dec 1, 2017.

  1. ipaman

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    Just stand there didn't mean that's all they are capable of, it was more they just have to stand there to cause havoc. Clearly each of them have other qualities as well.
     
  2. basketballholic

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    Understand. I was just making the point that DJ is quick and fast along with his insane length and size.
     
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  3. Light Vessel

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    Hes damn sure more valuable than a one dimensional inconsistent ryan Anderson who makes 80 mil. delusionl.
     
  4. YOLO

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    two completely different players. all really depends on what you need on your team
     
  5. Tom Bombadillo

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    Ryno isn't one dimensional this year.

    Elite shooter that is 100% a good defender.
     
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  6. banzai

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    Zhou Qi.
     
  7. ipaman

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    Not ready, yet...
     
  8. kingkingston

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    Actually Jordan is over rated on defence, gets scored on quite easily. Guards just run past him.

    Capela is a better rebounder than Jordan
     
  9. da_juice

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    Don't see a point in getting Jordan unless Capela is traded (which I don't anticipate). I'd much rather pick up a buyout candidate to be a second Nene (think Chandler, maybe Robin Lopez or someone similar)
     
  10. RocketsFido

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    he can come here if he'll take a huge discount because Clint is likely going to get the max.
     
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  11. J.R.

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    (Sorry if already posted)

    LOL

    BSPN: Four best DeAndre Jordan trades we'd like to see LA Clippers make

    Destination: Cleveland Cavaliers

    Clippers get:
    Tristan Thompson, Channing Frye
    Cavaliers get: DeAndre Jordan

    Kevin Pelton: When looking at Jordan trades, four challenges arise:
    • Finding teams that are looking for a veteran All-Star
    • Finding teams in need of a center
    • Finding teams that can make Jordan work financially
    • Finding teams that won't stick the Clippers with bad salary in return
    After ruling out teams for those reasons, I was left with only one Jordan trade I really liked for both teams: moving him to Cleveland for a package built around Thompson.

    While Thompson has two years beyond this one on his contract, at an average of $17.5 million he's reasonably paid. And I suspect the Clippers could move him if they wanted to maximize their cap space over the next couple of summers.

    With LeBron James a free agent, the future is now for the Cavaliers, so trading for a player with an expiring contract (Jordan can become a free agent next summer) shouldn't be a major concern. Jordan would upgrade Cleveland's rim protection dramatically, and the lob threat he presents on offense would allow him to provide vertical spacing, assuming he plays with sufficient shooting on the perimeter -- which the Cavaliers should have once Isaiah Thomas returns from his hip injury.

    Destination: Houston Rockets

    Clippers get: Clint Capela, Trevor Ariza, Nene, Tarik Black, Troy Williams and a 2020 first-round pick
    Rockets get: DeAndre Jordan

    Bobby Marks: The 2018-19 season is likely a bridge year for the Clippers to their next era. Not counting Jordan, LA has $92 million counting against the salary cap and only $8.5 million in room (not including a likely top-8 pick). For 2019-20, only Blake Griffin and Danilo Gallinari have guaranteed contracts, leaving more than $40 million in room.

    As outlined here, the Rockets can clear $20.5 million in room in 2018 by shedding all of their contracts besides James Harden's super-max and cap holds for Chris Paul and Clint Capela (both free agents). A Jordan trade would complicate that potential plan, since he has a $24.2 million player option next season -- and a higher cap hold than Capela. He might also command a higher salary if he opts out (a likelihood).

    Still, acquiring Jordan via trade would be an easier route than free agency and would allow the Rockets to retain their stars plus Ryan Anderson, P.J. Tucker and Eric Gordon.

    And if GM Daryl Morey thinks the All-Star center can help take Houston over the top against Golden State this season, a Jordan trade could be worth a roll of the dice. Furthermore, if CP3 wants a Jordan trade to bring a bit of Lob City to Houston, Morey might be influenced by that, given that Paul will be a free agent next summer.

    The Rockets would have to send back about $18 million in salary, and they can include a first-round pick starting in 2020 (that would be facilitated by removing the no longer necessary top-3 protection from the pick they owe Atlanta this season).

    The Rockets, as a hard-cap team, cannot exceed $125.3 million in salary and would need to sign four players to the prorated minimum. Once the roster is filled out, Houston would be under the hard cap by just $237,000.

    As with the Paul trade in June, Jordan would need to waive his 15 percent trade bonus, valued at $2.4 million. And the Clippers and Rockets would need to show creativity in finding a third team team to take back the contracts of Troy Williams and Tarik Black. In addition, the Clippers would need to waive former first round pick Brice Johnson. It all sounds complicated, but in June both teams showed that the math can work with some outside help.

    Another version of this trade -- Ryan Anderson, Capela and a pick -- could work, though it's unlikely LA would take on Anderson's contract, especially since he's redundant next to Griffin and Gallinari. Instead, they could try this more creative deal of Capela, Ariza, Nene, Black, Williams and a first once all of the players are eligible to be traded on Dec. 15.

    Houston would have to think twice about messing with its chemistry midseason, and would surely not relish losing a young center like Capela and a strong two-way player like Ariza. But the latter's deal is expiring and Tucker and Luc Mbah a Moute offset the loss.

    Destination: Washington Wizards

    Clippers get: Marcin Gortat, Kelly Oubre Jr., Tomas Satoransky, Sheldon Mac
    Wizards get: DeAndre Jordan, Brice Johnson

    Andrew Han: John Wall has been out to rehab an ailing left knee, but the 27-year-old is in the first of a five-year deal with Washington. And with Bradley Beal and Otto Porter Jr. anchored, the Wizards have their core in place.

    A 29-year-old, 6-11 spring who can protect the rim, gobble lobs and clean up the glass -- and whose durability is second only to that of LeBron James -- might be the missing piece to their nucleus. Washington would likely feel confident about being able to re-sign Jordan as well, given Wall's court vision and the potential for the most electric pick-and-roll lobs since Chris Paul-Tyson Chandler in New Orleans.

    Meanwhile, Oubre and Satoransky would present intriguing options for a Clippers franchise that has been anemic in identifying wing talent, while Gortat could be an asset to be flipped again this season (as a serviceable center) or next year (as an expiring contract). The Clippers also would need to find a third team to take the injured Sheldon Mac, since LA would exceed the 15-man roster limit.

    For this trade to work, Jordan would have to waive his 15 percent trade bonus valued at $2.4 million.

    So the Wizards would be obtaining an All-Star in Jordan, but at a high cost. The Wizards tax bill would increase from $8.9 million to $17.7 million.

    Destination: Milwaukee Bucks

    Clippers get: Matthew Dellavedova, Jabari Parker, Thon Maker
    Bucks get: DeAndre Jordan

    Jeremias Engelmann: The Bucks' season is running below expectations, as they've been outscored on the season -- their -1.0 scoring margin is that of a 38-win team.

    Acquiring Jordan would create additional spacing issues, but his 14.2 rebounds per game would undoubtedly help with the Bucks' biggest problem: Milwaukee grabs the fewest rebounds of any team in the league, with the 30th-ranked offensive rebounding rate and the 25th-ranked defensive rebounding rate.

    Dellavedova has become expendable with the arrival of Eric Bledsoe, and Maker seems to have taken a giant step back in his second season, with most of his stats taking a nosedive. Parker is trying to come back from a second ACL injury, hasn't made a positive impact when he's actually played (2016-17 Real Plus-Minus of -0.8) and, once he returns, would have trouble finding minutes with Middleton and Giannis at forward.

    For Jordan, the Clippers would be getting two young players with potential, including a former No. 2 overall pick in Parker.

    As in the Houston and Washington trades above, Jordan would have to waive his 15 percent trade bonus valued at $2.4 million. Because the Clippers would be taking back three players, LA would need to waive a player, likely former first-round pick Brice Johnson.

    The Bucks, under the luxury-tax line by $4.4 million before the trade, would be under the line by only $900,000 after the trade. And with two open roster spots, Milwaukee would likely be a tax team when the season ends.​
     
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  12. JayZ750

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    ^ ESPN puts absolutely zero thought into everything they do
     
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  13. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    LOL, eff that noise!
     
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  14. krouchchocolate

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    No thanks for deandre jordan. Teams will go back to just hacking us. I am fine with capela.
     
  15. RHU525

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    Deandre Jordan is useless in new NBA. They will just hack him and screw up our Rythym. No way Morey goes after him.

    Lol at ESPN offer, Clint Capela is way more valuable cuz his contract is nothing.

    Can we just lock this thread, I will be soo disappointed if we get him.

    Ryan Anderson is a better fit for our team than Deandre
     
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  16. vince

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    Wow. That is a considerable return to the Clippers. It could be argued that Clint is a better fit for this Rockets team in the first place. So why gut the team in this hypothetical scenario? Because ESPN needs click bait. Clint Capela and D Jordan’s salary don’t match up, so they included everyone and the kitchen sink to make it happen.
     
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  17. banzai

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    He ain't gettin max money.... if he shoots a three a la Draymond, I would give it to him. Not right now.
     
  18. justtxyank

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    Terrible trade. Terrible.

    I would be disappointed to trade Capela for DJ but I would understand the logic, but we are not trading Ariza and no way we include a first round pick,.
     
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  19. banzai

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    I concur. Capela can finish strong or lay it up from almost any angle. He's been a lot more disciplined on D. He can now shoot free throws. If he develops an outside shot, he'll be Draymond level player.
     
  20. dfbreyes

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    Anthony Davis, yes let me think about it.

    DeAndre Jordan? That would be a downgrade. No way. Clint Capela anytime.
     

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