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Sarah Palin: Obama and the Bureaucratization of Health Care

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Sep 9, 2009.

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  1. FranchiseBlade

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    It fixes the problem by making our health care better, and more complete. It's also paid for, and doesn't add to the deficit.

    It's a great change to see proposed programs actually paid for.
     
    #61 FranchiseBlade, Sep 9, 2009
  2. basso

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    http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=130980188434

    [rquoter]Response to the White House

    Today at 5:55pm
    I'm pleased that the White House is finally responding to Republican health care ideas instead of pretending they don't exist.[1] But in doing so President Obama should follow his own sound advice and avoid making "wild misrepresentations".[2] Medicare vouchers would give everyone on Medicare the chance to decide for themselves which health plan to use, rather than leave that decision to government bureaucrats. Such proposals are the kind of health care reform that Republicans stand for: market-oriented, patient-centered, and result-driven.

    The White House talking points leave the rest of my arguments unanswered. They don't respond to the idea that all individuals should get the same tax benefits received by those who get coverage through their employers; that we must reform our tort laws; and that we should allow Americans to buy insurance across state lines. The White House also fails to respond to the Nyce/Schieber study indicating that wages will fall if the government expands coverage without reducing health care inflation rates.

    One last thing: after President Obama's speech tonight, listen for which pundits use the words "false", "scary", and "risky" in describing the proposals I put forward. That's how you'll be able to tell who the White House counted as "allies" worthy of receiving its talking points.

    -Sarah Palin[/rquoter]
     
    #62 basso, Sep 9, 2009
  3. basso

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    i do believe she knows more about health care reform than does the white house.
     
    #63 basso, Sep 9, 2009
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Sarah Palin continues to show that she has no clue.

    It's sad that every time she tries to advocate a position or issue, she only shows how much about the issue she doesn't know or understand.

    I guess she's really trying, but she just doesn't understand the issue. She continues to act like tort reform will actually help lower the health care cost.

    It's too bad that Palin seems so dead set on pushing the insurance industries agenda.

    After all, the only thing tort reform does is add to the insurance companies' profits.

    Neither you nor Palin have yet to address the evidence of that.

    It's happened in every single instance of tort reform. It has never once reduced health care cost.
     
    #64 FranchiseBlade, Sep 9, 2009
  5. Northside Storm

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    sigh...

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/09/obama.speech/

    color me totally unsurprised. google apparently trumps however the hell Sarah Palin goes about not conducting her research.

    [​IMG]
     
    #65 Northside Storm, Sep 9, 2009
  6. SamFisher

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    obligatory random plea that comes 4 pages too late

    Those of you who respond to basso with anything that doesn't include a link to tinypic or photobucket get exactly what you deserve by encouraging him.

    So the next time a frustrated 50+ year old man living out his darker side via his online alter ego calls (or vaguely implies, a real specialty of his) that you or fellow members of your family, race, ethnicity, political affiliation are a morally challenged, racist, disabled-baby hating, fagbashing, alcoholic communist america-hating liberal piece of ****, please remember what you could have done to stop it.
     
    #66 SamFisher, Sep 9, 2009
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    Then why is she so wrong about what's in the actual bill, and continuing to pretend the tort reform which has never worked to lower health care cost will actually work?

    If she knows more about it, why is it that she continues to argue against crap that is unrelated to the bill?

    Why did you post something and then reply to your own post rather than just edit your original post?
     
    #67 FranchiseBlade, Sep 9, 2009
  8. rhadamanthus

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    Jesus H Christ.

    66 replies to a basso post starring nothing, and I mean nothing but an obviously-not-written-by-Sarah-Palin Op-Ed by Sarah Palin.

    You guys need help, seriously. Stop feeding the trolls, lest you become one.
     
    #68 rhadamanthus, Sep 9, 2009
  9. Northside Storm

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    [​IMG]
     
    #69 Northside Storm, Sep 9, 2009
  10. Cannonball

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    Obama didn't actually use the term "tort reform". That must be why she's confused. I wonder if she knows what tort reform actually is.
     
    #70 Cannonball, Sep 9, 2009
  11. rimrocker

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    Did you just quote yourself not saying anything so you could say the same nothing you should have said when you didn't say anything?
     
    #71 rimrocker, Sep 9, 2009
  12. thacabbage

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    lol basso quoted himself lol
     
    #72 thacabbage, Sep 9, 2009
  13. vlaurelio

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    proof that basso only reads his posts AFTER he hits submit
     
    #73 vlaurelio, Sep 9, 2009
  14. Major

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    Really?

    http://alaskadispatch.com/blogs/palin-watch/1850-palins-death-panel-wish-

    Of note:


    In 2007, Palin said that providing adequate health care "is one of the most pressing domestic issues facing the United States as a nation." But as governor of Alaska, she did virtually nothing to ensure "real" or any other kind of health care reform. While she and her family had access to some of the very best health insurance available (which was tax payer funded) nearly 33 percent of her constituents-- about 200,000 residents -- were uninsured at some point in 2008, one of the highest rates in the country.

    Alaska, which has one of the least restrictive insurance markets, is dominated by two insurance companies that control over 96 percent of the market. Premera Blue Cross insures about 60 percent of the market, while Aetna insures more than 30 percent. And what they offer is some of the most expensive coverage in the U.S. Between 2000 and 2007, insurance premiums in Alaska rose more than 74 percent, while wages grew 13 percent.
     
    #74 Major, Sep 9, 2009
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    http://gawker.com/5355610/who-wrote-sarah-palins-boring-op+ed-today
     
    #75 Oski2005, Sep 9, 2009
  16. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Guess Basso is still researching this one.


    As for her knowing more about the white house regarding health cares. Ok...let's just get one thing straight...maybe she knows more about health care in the Alaska Wilderness. I am sure he has a greater ability to heal a moose than anyone in Washington DC - I'd bet money on it.

    But man, just because she watched Northern Exposure and saw that doctor dude from nyc on the show doesn't make her any more of an expert than being able to see Russia from her house.

    Why is she still around? Sarah Palin = John McCain's worst mistake. Not because it cost him the election, but because it gave her a permanent pedestal from which she can spew her hateful, cantankerous, ignorant, and just plain bizarre garbage.
     
    #76 Sweet Lou 4 2, Sep 10, 2009
  17. basso

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    even @ 30k ft., i've got your Palin...

    http://www.facebook.com/notes.php?id=24718773587

    [rquoter]
    Response to the President's Health Care SpeechShare
    Today at 12:25am
    After all the rhetoric is put aside, one principle ran through President Obama’s speech tonight: that increased government involvement in health care can solve its problems.

    Many Americans fundamentally disagree with this idea. We know from long experience that the creation of a massive new bureaucracy will not provide us with “more stability and security,” but just the opposite. It's hard to believe the President when he says that this time he and his team of bureaucrats have finally figured out how to do things right if only we’ll take them at their word.

    Our objections to the Democrats’ health care proposals are not mere “bickering” or “games.” They are not an attempt to “score short term political points.” And it’s hard to listen to the President lecture us not to use “scare tactics” when in the next breath he says that “more will die” if his proposals do not pass.

    In his speech the President directly responded to concerns I’ve raised about unelected bureaucrats being given power to make decisions affecting life or death health care matters. He called these concerns “bogus,” “irresponsible,” and “a lie” -- so much for civility. After all the name-calling, though, what he did not do is respond to the arguments we’ve made, arguments even some of his own supporters have agreed have merit.

    In fact, after promising to “make sure that no government bureaucrat .... gets between you and the health care you need,” the President repeated his call for an Independent Medicare Advisory Council -- an unelected, largely unaccountable group of bureaucrats charged with containing Medicare costs. He did not disavow his own statement that such a group, working outside of “normal political channels,” should guide decisions regarding that “huge driver of cost ... the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives....” He did not disavow the statements of his health care advisor, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, and continuing to pay his salary with taxpayer dollars proves a commitment to his beliefs. The President can keep making unsupported assertions, but until he directly responds to the arguments I’ve made, I’m going to call him out too.

    It was heartening to hear the President finally recognize that tort reform is an important part of any solution. But this concession shouldn’t lead us to take our eye off the ball: the Democrats’ proposals will not reduce costs, and they will not deliver better health care. It’s this kind of “healthy skepticism of government” that truly reflects a “concern and regard for the plight of others.” We can’t wait to hear the details on that; we look forward to working with you on tort reform.

    Finally, President Obama delivered an offhand applause line tonight about the cost of the War on Terror. As we approach the anniversary of the September 11th attacks and honor those who died that day and those who have died since in the War on Terror, in order to secure our freedoms, we need to remember their sacrifices and not demonize them as having had too high a price tag.

    Remember, Mr. President, elected officials work for the people. Forcing a conclusion in order to claim a “victory” is not healthy for our country. We hear you say government isn’t always the answer; now hear us -- that’s what we’ve been saying all along.

    - Sarah Palin[/rquoter]
     
    #77 basso, Sep 10, 2009
  18. mc mark

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    What an imbecile...











    I'll leave it to you good readers to figure out who I'm talking about
     
    #78 mc mark, Sep 10, 2009
  19. Rashmon

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    "The question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists we will be...The nation and the world are in dire need of creative extremists."

    Martin Luther King Jr.
     
    #79 Rashmon, Sep 10, 2009
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