Sarah Palin: Obama and the Bureaucratization of Health Care

Aghast found her in the People of Walmart thread...

 

same way we pay for iraq


i need the big assed rolled eyes for anytime you talk budget

 

And I need to have spread some reputation before giving it to pgabriel again.

 

Except we didn't pay for Iraq but will for health care reform.

And no, I'm not going to provide copious cites for basso... if he wants to read things like CBO reports (or listen to Obama's speech tonight) instead of binging on drivel from wingnut internet outposts, he can readily find out how the changes work.

Additionally, basso can look at what would happen to the budget without health care reform.

(While I agree with the big-assed roll eyes, I do appreciate basso's new-found concern about deficits... which will last until a Republican takes office.)

 

Deficits don't just "occur". And if you weren't so pathetic, dishonest, and stupid you would understand how the current budget deficit is as much Bush's as Obama's.

 

More W's than Obama's... much more. And if you take out the stimulus, which is a result of having to respond to W's ineptitude, the difference is even more stark...

As for Obama's policies...

Current policies means W policies.

 

do you know how much of the stimulus package was signed by Bush?

 

I know you're just deflecting away from the deficit talk because facts has been presented..

but I'll bite, so you never blamed the Clinton admin for 911?

 

this is so stupid. 9-11 is a one time event that happened on Bush's watch that he was warned about. those are facts

the current budget is a budget that was enacted by Bush, facts.

would you agree that wingnuts don't deal in facts and therefore we are crazy for responding to you?

 

He's taking responsibility by trying to fix it. That fact doesn't prevent intelligent beings from pointing out to the dullards around us that without W we wouldn't be in this mess.

Man up basso. Admit that if there had been no stimulus you would be slamming Obama for doing nothing, but since the stimulus is working, you pretend it is not.

 

You are talking nonsense. I will try to reply to the point I think you are trying to make...

First, the initial Bush tax cut was passed before 9-11.

Second, please show a correlation between 9-11 and the second tax cut that was passed in 2003. Here's a hint... you can't because there is none, aside from the manufactured reasons put forth by the W Administration, which, if you cite here would render your concern about the stimulus spending hypocritical.

 

Well basso, you and Palin are wrong again.

She's continuing with the already discredited death panel talk. That isn't the bill, and Palin is wrong.

You are still trying to pretend like Obama isn't paying for the health care reform. I've already pointed out how at least part of it will be paid for.

1. It will cut waste currently in the system. I've posted some of the specifics on how that will work in other threads.

2. That will pay for 2/3 of the cost of the bill. The other 1/3 can come from a number of ways including the simple way of having donations of people earning more than 250K deducted the same as donations for people earning less than that. That one simple measure alone would pay for the remaining third of the cost.

As much as you seem to want to believe that Palin has intelligent and valid arguments to make, nothing you or she has written in this thread would lead someone to believe that.

 

The good thing is that Obama talked about how it will be paid for tonight. I've already mentioned some of it, but the great thing is that for those that believe that the cuts will really pay for much of the program, he put forward the input that he would cut spending should the numbers not pay for what it's supposed to.

The idea that this health care will add to the deficit is now dead in the water. At least to anyone who who pays attention to the facts.

 

It should be, but it probably won't be. The false notion that illegal immigrants would be covered under the public options should have been dead too but that got the biggest grumblings from the Republicans tonight.