The problem is our system seems to cure cancer at a much better rate. A big part of that is speed of service.
Wow. I'm amazed that you admitted it. You didn't like how the thread was going so you decided to take a dig at me through my dead friend. You are the biggest dick I ever met, internet or otherwise. I would punch you in the ****ing face if I knew where to find you.
LOL you have got to be joking me. sure, if you limit things to one facet, then American healthcare is the best. Just like I'm sure if you limit your definition of "education" to personal stories of Papa Castro and his good sons Raul and Fido, then Cuba is the best in the world. REST OF THE WORLD! REST OF THE WORLD! REST OF THE WORLD! ...eh
Signing off now until the moderators have a chance to read this thread. Enjoy bashing my dead friend while I'm gone, *******.
life span has little to do with quality of healthcare. Unless you are looking at the life span of people with a disease.
The problem is that you don't seem to grasp that the American system doesn't accept 100% of cancer patients while other systems do. Your figures are pointless.
Do you have any link showing that the USA numbers are only improved because they exclude people who die of cancer that were not being treated?
americans are fatter, if they see a Dr. everyday will that improve their lifespan if they never lose weight?
I never bashed your friend. I don't see how any reading of what I said could possibly even hint that I did. I have lost many to cancer, it is no joke.
you just randomly derailed a thread to drag this to cancer...and for no good reason. That's really a dick move right there. Bat calling you out wasn't cool, but that's just straight up bull****. anyways, i'm not dragging myself into this. goooood day.
my uncle, cousin and grandpa all went down with cancer (2 lung, 1 cervical) . My mom is a survivor. I have as strong or stronger feelings on this subject than he does, and in no way "bashed" his friend.
You should probably start making up yet another username. The credibility extended to "CaseyH" is about all used up.
What a ****ing joke. As if you've somehow been through intensive surgery and have any understanding how that stuff works. I'll give you a story. I'm 23 with an arthritic and barely knee that requires continual medication. I have to deal with it for the rest of my life. And you want to know what? It took me 4 days to get my surgery. I had to deal with more insurance headaches than you'll ever imagine. I had a great surgeon (who happens to be the guy who did Yao's knee surgery way back when) and the hospital was great. But those ****s at the insurance company created all sorts of issues ranging from questioning whether or not I even fit under my parent's health insurance policy to whether or not I needed immediate surgery. You see I was initially diagnosed with an ACL tear which is something you dont need immediate surgery for. My surgeon recommended I get it fixed immediately though while my insurance company didnt support that. And sure enough after some wrangling I got my surgery 4 days later and found out that it was a major fracture and if I had waited any longer, the internal bleeding would have stopped and I'd be in a wheel chair for life. Then after surgery, my insurance company decided that they wont cover my surgeon anymore so I had to pay out of my own pocket for further consultations with my surgeon. The system is ****ED and until you experience it, citing random statistics doesnt do justice. I for one have significant reservations about a single payer system. The potential for fraud and just political abuse of such a system scare me. (rationing on the other hand really wont be an issue). Quit hiding behind bull**** statistics and take a look at the humanity of the situation. There are MILLIONS of people who wouldnt have even been able to have my surgery if they were in my situation. I can at least walk and live a normal life. So many others would be strapped to a chair for life. Health care has no place for bogus utilitarian calculus and scare tactics. The status quo is ****ing garbage and a system in which the people paying for my health care have a profit motive dont jive at all. My insurance company now charges me triple because apparently they think I have a significant chance to reinjure myself when my doctor has said otherwise, and wont even let me see my surgeon anymore without making me pay for it, and I'm one of the lucky ones. I'm not a cancer survivor but I can speak to how insurance companies treat people. I'm a statistic, not a person. And why would they treat me like a person, its in their interest to make money not to help people get medical care. Point being, quit being callous and throwing out statistics. Even if you disagree with many on the board, its a little insensitive to just throw out stats because part of the very problem is that insurance companies are treating us like statistics as it is right now so try to avoid that. You can make many arguments against a single payer system and I might agree with a lot of them, but there's a larger human element to this that makes me think in spite of the MANY problems a single payer system will cause, its for the better, both in terms of health care spending as a total of GDP and for humane reasons. Sorry for the long diatribe, but these discussions frustrate me.
people in other countries are waiting months for life saving radiation treatments and you think 4 days for a knee operation is bad? They didn't know the knee could have put you in a wheelchair but the people on the radiation waiting list know for a fact they are racing the clock.
Wow... You're a joke. I'd say something pretty angry but I doubt it'll do anything to change your clownish view. So uh.. how bout that Sarah Palin?
I apologize for talking about cancer in a thread where batman jones came in and called me out for no reason without reading any of my replies. I assume it is a bannable offense. Adios
