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Santorum: There isn't much Native American culture in American culture

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Apr 26, 2021.

  1. justtxyank

    justtxyank Contributing Member

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    My friend @MadMax posted this on twitter and I decided to share it here for discussion.

    Santorum's claim is that we built a nation from nothing here because there was nothing...here. He says yes there were Native Americans but there is no Native American culture in American culture.

    I'm curious how people react to that? Is he wrong? Is it offensive?
     
  2. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Contributing Member

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    He's not wrong, but he is offensive... it could have been worded more appropriately.
     
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  3. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    So he admits the genocide worked?

    Take THAT Hitler! USA #1!
     
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    Natives taught settlers how to farm Native crops like corn and tobacco. As American as apple pie.

    I guess stealing **** outright and not giving credit feels better from a guilt or superiority angle.

    Can't claim you played cowboys and Indians as a kid anymore
     
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  5. MadMax

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    There were nations here with intricate systems of governance and culture. There was not nothing here. I am beyond sick of people claiming to identify as Christian reducing human beings to "nothing." It's enough of that **** already.

    The United States wasn't birthed from nothing...it was a colony of an empire, and those colonies adopted a ton of political and legal components of that empire to birth a nation.

    The people seeking religious tolerance who he is mentioning were Puritans and were among the least religiously tolerant people in Europe.

    The entire speech is ridiculously simplistic and offensive. It's the product of an 8th grade US history class that hits the basics and moves on. To stand up there in his position and say those things is ridiculous.
     
  6. MadMax

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    Sadly, Hitler literally uses it as a good example of doing so in Mein Kampf.
     
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    There was a ton of Native American culture here when Europeans came. They took agriculture, names for American cities come from Native American culture. Some of the food we eat as part of American culture comes from the Native American culture.

    So he's wrong and also offensive.
     
  8. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost clean your room bucko
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    American exceptionalism is basically just red, white, and blue brain worms.
     
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    "Birthed a Nation" is an interesting phrase to use.
     
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    Yep.

    It's also always fun when people treat "Native American Culture" as some sort of monolithic system, instead of you know, hundreds upon hundreds of different ones.
     
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  11. MadMax

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    They were far more progressive, generally, with respect to the rights of women than people in Europe were. Like by far! The Iroquois basically had women serve as something akin to a board of directors. They picked who would be chief, for instance. Whether you were part of their tribe or not was based on whether your mother was; not the father. They had vastly more political power than the women of Europe did at the exact same time.
     
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    such as Miami (in ohio and florida), a variation of Mayan.


    also, Native American artifacts
     
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    Property rights too (inheritance, commingling of families in marriage, etc...)
     
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  14. MadMax

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    It gets ridiculous. I also don't want to give the impression that I don't think the US has done some AMAZING things, because I believe we have. I just want us to be honest about our shortcomings and address them...because to me, that makes people and nations great. Not false bravado. I love the US, and I'd fight for the ideas behind it...but not for the cosplay patriotism clown show b.s.
     
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    Obviously, "they are savages, we gifted them with our superior culture, cant make an omelet without breaking a few eggs" is one of the original justifications to explain away the genocide as something more noble. Over the years, I think there are a lot of people who have found it more convenient to think of them as culture-less savages who were in need of paternal guidance.

    I know it's maybe not as in vogue as it was in, say, the 1950's, but I'm guessing in some circles it is still the overriding narrative.

    Not to derail, but Hitler's view of Native Americans came from a hilariously bad series of adventure books aimed at young men written by a German guy named Karl May about his "real life adventures among the Native Americans". Said author had never been to America and basically made everything out of thin air. It had about as much to do with Native Americans as California tiki bars in the 1950's and 60's had to do with native Polynesian Culture.
     
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    I don't understand the point?

    Maybe there is no native american culture but is that really something to brag about?

    My real issue with what he said was American culture is built on French, Spanish, Anglo Saxon, Italian, Asian and African culture among others.

    So nothing about American culture is really new.
     
  17. KingCheetah

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    Aborted a nation was cut from the speech.
     
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  18. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost clean your room bucko
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    This type of uneducated chest thumping is cute until it farts out a brain cancer like ethno-nationalism.

    It's amazing how all that "us good them bad" stuff melts to the pile of diarrhea it really is once you start to learn history.

    Reminds me of this video:



    "The game of civilization has nothing to do with the players and everything to do with the map"
     
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  19. adoo

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    another words, the European settlers cancelled the native american culture
     
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  20. KingCheetah

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    Nice try racists we go to indian casinos all the time.
     

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