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Chuck is the most versital low post defender in the game and there are few players in the league that are as good of a man to man defender as Chuck and I think that includes Dalembert. Man I would love to get Chuck back on the team. Having said that your numbers are not exactly correct. 1. Per 36 minutes Chuck averages about 6.8 defense rebounds a game while Dalembert averages 8.7 defensive rebounds a game. Thats a noticable difference. 2. Per 36 minutes Chuck averages .8 blocks a game while Dalembert averages 2.6 blocks a game. The biggest problem with the defense last season is the fact that we had no rim protectors and defensive rebounding. Chuck could not give the Rockets those things while Dalembert excels at those things. Furthermore the problem with not being tall is that even if you rebound 9 a game can you get the key defensive rebound in order to limit the opposing team to one shot per posessionn the closing minutes of a game. Last season we saw that Chuck could not provide this and neither could Scola. If Dalembert just does what he always has he can provide this for the Rockets.
Paul Pierce, a top 10 pick, was already on the team. And what did they use to trade for KG and Ray? Lots of loot from the draft years. Not sure if teams are looking to trade their aging or disgruntled stars for our worst of 2009 lotto picks. Shaq had Wade, the Heat's top 5 pick. They used Butler (a Heat top 10 pick), Odom (RFA signing that the Clippers wouldn't match), Grant and a future 1st. Dirk had an owner that will blew the bank until he finally got it right. Zach has bounced around as a misfit until age seems to have mellowed him enough to actually play but still has yet to lift a trophy. So the Celtics had rebuilding years. The Heat had rebuilding years. And the Grizzlies had many rebuilding years. Only Dallas, who hasn't really gone through rebuilding in a long time and that because they had an owner who took chances at all costs. Playoffs were never his goal.
Marginal benefit Sam Dalembert isn't a difference maker anymore. This was a bandaid fix before the start of the season much in the way Brad Miller was duct tape for a broken front court. We should trade for Paul Millsap. Either that or clear some cap space to make a splashy move after this shortened season... money talks, especially in a city where favorable taxes stretches your dollars. Perhaps a cap clearing move like Scola+Thabeet for Antawn and some picks.
I agree with most of your analysis. However, there are a couple of other points: 1. Believe it or not, Chuck is a better offensive player. He is highly underrated, especially after what we saw last season. He is a very good offensive rebounder. He is one of the best high post passers in the league. He knows when to sneak to the basket for a layup. Dalembert can do none of these things. 2. If we are going to fight for a high playoffs seed, then Dalembert is probably a better choice. But we are looking to develop our young players for the future. Hayes is much better for that purpose.
Im going to agree with Easy. Chuck is light-years ahead of Dalembert offensively (which isnt hard), on account of his passing. Dont let Dalembert's stats fool you... look at Theo Ratliff. For every shot he blocked he let 10 others by. Rebounding stats also look better when your club is shooting sub 40% like Philly and Sacto. Bandaid fix, thats all Dalembert is.
Very interesting point of view and can be very convincing if there is no context. Dallas got 6th pick and drafted Tractor Traylor. They traded him for the Dirk who was the 9th pick to Milwaukee and they got another player named Pat Garrity. This means that Dallas lucked out. Pat Garrity turned into a nobody so they could have drafted dirk to begin with. If you are saying that Shaq is an excemption, then you have to remove Wade and Kobe from your list since it can be argued that those championship teams where Shaq's team. In addition, Lakers did not draft Kobe - kobe drafted the Lakers. He said he will not sign with anybody except the Lakers. So what happens if we draft the next Kobe and he does the same thing? It does not seem fair that you will use the history of the lottery to go back to more than 20 years because the lottery rules prior to that, gave tanking a big advantage. The weighted system lottery rule was implemented because of that. So if we are discussing the chances of getting a superstar , it would only be fair to use data that applies to the current one. If you are in agreement with this, then you will have to remove Jordan, Hakeem and Zeke from your list. That would leave you with Duncan, Pierce and Hamilton. Even if I agree with your list, there is this list http://www.nba.com/history/lottery_picks.html which shows that the probability of landing this high draft pick and have him stay with your team to eventually win a championship is very very low. Cheers...
Hey no argument there, Chuck is one of the absolute best low post or high post passers in the league. And he is a good offensive rebounder. Point is.... our offense is not the problem, its defensive rebounding and someone who can block shots and protetect the rim.
What on earth are you saying? Who says Sam isn't a difference maker any more? Why don't you look at his stats? His per 36 are just as good as they were in the past, and even better in certain areas. I honestly have no idea who put that idea into your head. Why on earth would we trade for Paul Millsap? We are loaded at power forward. What purpose would that serve? I am not touching Jamison and his contract. In any case, tt is doubtful Cleveland would actually trade picks to us for Scola after drafting Thompson. How does that help us moving forward? Seeing as we can't amnesty a player we trade for, wouldn't it be smarter to just amnesty Thabeet? We needed shot blocking and rebounding and we got a player that does that at avery good rate and for a very good price. Wow.....
Once again, offense is not the problem, it's defensive rebounding and shotblocking. Sam is an great defensive rebounder and a great shot blocker and his career numbers back up that statement. If your club shoots 40% it increases your oppertunities for offensive rebounds not defensive rebounds. I repeat, offense was not the clubs problems last season, it was defensive rebounding and shot blocking.
As I already said, those stats are deceiving. Look at 82games opponent stats, net PER is ZERO.. no different when Chuck Hayes is playing out of position at C. http://www.82games.com/1011/10SAC16.HTM I've watched enough games to know he consistently gets backed down and dribbled around. Millsap is at least a legitimate threat on offense along with his defensive presence. He can easily fill in at C. As for Antawn Jamison, you dont want anything to do with a huge expiring contract? Look, the market has made it clear that our players are too mediocre to net a star player. Clearing cap space or acquiring high draft picks are the only way to get talent on our team.
As long as he can still give 8 ppg / 8 rpg / 1.5 bpg then that's enough. OT - but is there a way we could revive the Pau Gasol trade? But instead of Scola, maybe re-package Sammy D + Kevin Martin + Dragic or others for Pau Gasol?
In that case we could just as easily play Patterson at C.... My point is, why would Cleveland trade Jamison and picks to us for Scola and Thabeet? What would they possibly do with Scola. If anything they need to develop Thompson. They are rebuilding. Why on earth would they make that trade? Wrong. Our assets were enough to land Chris Paul. There is a reason we were getting Pau in the deal instead. He has 3 years left under contract. If anything, the only thing that is clear is that star players want to play in LA, New York and Miami.
How are Dalembert's outlet passes? Does anyone have information on this? No question about his great shot blocking and rebounding, but I know that he used to be a poor passer at the offensive end and poor decision-maker, but that he has improved his high post passing. If he can outlet pass, that makes his defensive rebounds more valuable.
Amazing how everyone who brings up the low probability of acquiring a star via draft never mentions the probability of getting a star via a trade or FAgency. How many times has a team traded for or signed a top 15 player besides LA/NY/NJ/Miami? Garnett and Nash are all I can think of.
Spooner, if stats make sense to you, look at this: http://www.82games.com/1011/10UTA11.HTM Paul Millsap is highly efficient at C. When playing Center he has a PER of 19 and opponents have PER of ZERO. Clearly our "assets" were not enough to "land Chris Paul". First of all, Chris Paul was going to LAL and the trade was nixed because our "assets" werent good enough.
I know.... it's aggravating that people don't seem to understand that. Instead, they blame Morey. Oblivious to the fact that the rest of the league is in the same situation. New Jersey is moving to Brooklyn, so I would consider that NY as well. Zach Randolph would possibly come to mind if you consider him a top 15 player, but that signing was a HUGE risk for that franchise. More often than not, those signings turn teams into the Pistons. You also have to factor in that it was a contract year for him. Can't think of anyone else.
