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Samsung Nexus Prime

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by ItsMyFault, Oct 4, 2011.

  1. wakkoman

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    If you're talking about iCloud, you won't be able to replicate the same way Apple products synchronize with an Android phone.
     
  2. wakkoman

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    Some people don't want significant changes and having to relearn how to operate their tools. You may call the Apple UI boring, but it is still as intuitive and easy to use as it was from day 1. They built a damn good base, and have been able to add features to it every year without changing the core of how the phone is operated. This is consistency and many people value that.

    Being an early adopter with the G1, and then buying the Nexus S last year, my beef with Android, and Google, is that it always seemed unfinished and "beta". And instead of trying to tweak what they have to make it better, they usually favor scrapping the UI and designing something completely new. Many people are fine with that.

    Apple wants to create the best phone OS they can so they can sell hardware. Google just wants their OS to be on as many devices as possible so they can dominate the mobile search market share.
     
  3. Mr. Clutch

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    I wonder if that will change with Google's purchase of Motorola Mobility.
     
  4. Hak34

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    Wrong. Currently there is already a visiual face lock/unlock in the market. Visidon. It works pefectly for all variations of race.


    LOL. The apple fan boy cries of fragmentation. No one using android (well for the vast majority) cares about fragmentation. Most don't even realize it. You may wan't to call Iphone king, but android has officially taken over market share lead, and will only continue to dominate in this segment.

    And really did someone just tout how business men use Iphone's? I think Id laugh, if I ever rode into a meeting with "business" men rocking iPhone's. I haven't seen this in at least 2 or 3 years.

    But your right, teenies, old people who want the ease of one button launching, and people who couldn't operate a real smart phone to save their lives will continue buying iPhones.
     
  5. Royals Ego

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    this thread managed to stay mildly civil for 11 pages... new record?
     
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    One button makes things harder for me.

    My entire family has iOS devices (mom with a 3G, sister with a 4, dad with a 4S/iPad2, grandpa with an iPad1). Whenever I use one, I find myself going crazy over the lack of a back button.

    This "just works", "easy to use," "superior experience" is all marketing bs as far as I am concerned. That type off stuff is different for each user.
     
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    Eventually the trolls will do the trooling
     
  8. JeopardE

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    Everything was going perfectly fine and on-topic until a couple of iTrolls felt the need to drop in and spoil the discussion. "Fragmentation" is like that sad, pathetic Internet meme that just won't die.
     
  9. Scionxa

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    I completely understand your point. Some people criticize my opinion when I say that iPhones are for people who want a smartphone, but don't want to mess around with it, or that they're not tech savvy enough
    (this isn't necessarily the case as alot of tech savvy people have them)
    ****, alot of people just don't care enough for phones to want to mess with them, and the iPhone just appeals more and more.

    I put the picture as a joke due to the quote, not necessarily to bash the iPhone. I'm not a huge hater of them, though I do dislike them. I was playing around with iOS5 ever since the beta's first started going out. It's just a matter of personal preference. I like to completely pimp out my phone, and the iPhone does not suit me. I'm also very big on Linux so Android only seems natural for me to use.

    I'm curious to see how Android goes on from here since they hired Matias Duarte (guy who designed webOS), he designed Android 4.0 and so far it looks intuitive.
    I think Android realizes that alot of people don't like Android's because of the UI, or lack of user friendliness to some people.


    My main problem with Android before was not really what Google does to it, but what manufacturers and carriers do to it.

    HTC - Over 250+ MB of garbage and baked so hard into the core, I predict them having difficulties with ICS

    Samsung - Refuses to change their GPS configs to anything other than spirent-lcs, and initially they had issues with updates to the OS. Their other phones that aren't extremely high-end also use the RFS file system which is slowwwww (e.g Droid Charge)

    Motorola - Great hardware,but absolutely worst software in the industry, and using eFuse to lock the bootloader? That's just cruel.

    LG- No comment other than this company is barely GPL compliant. It also likes to hide stock recovery in different places to satisfy Verizon, yet include Busybox to make it super easy for people like me to break in using Verizon's internal flashing utility -LGNPST
     
  10. wakkoman

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    Not trying to be an iTroll, but fragmentation is an issue with Android and Google has admitted this. Some iTrolls overemphasize it, but it still is one of the biggest issues the platform deals with everyday.
     
  11. Scionxa

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    Heh, That's actually one thing that bothers me alot too. I also prefer multitasking on Android as well.
     
  12. Scionxa

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    They semi-addressed this during Google I/O, there's a manufacturer alliance now with OEM's to provide updates for up to 18 months. Alliance includes most major Android OEM's

    However, it should still be a problem but not as much. I'm sorry for placing so much blame on manufacturers and carriers but... the source is out there to do what you please, and I don't think alot of OEM's think about how their UI will operate when an update is released.
     
  13. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    Old people.
     
  14. Mr.Scarface

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    LOL....you have FREE Android phones for years. EVERYONE and their Mama is making an Android phone because the OS is free. It's not selling because it is necessarily good....LOL. If Apple licensed IOS5, EVERYONE of those Android suppliers would drop it in a heartbeat...lol. iPhone profit margins DRAWFS all Android manufacturers COMBINED.

    Now that Apple is starting to cover more price points and more carriers, that Android growth will/is starting to stall. The selling smart phones in the world over the last year: iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS.
     
  15. wakkoman

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    They sort of announced it, and when the bloggers pressed them for further details at a Q&A session, they basically said it was just an idea in very early stages and they had no idea how they would achieve their goal.
     
  16. wakkoman

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    It's kind of funny actually... I'm not anything close to being "old" and I'm very tech savvy, but I'm starting to see instances where I don't want to have to learn how to use different technology. Most recently this happened with Google+. I set up my account and started trying to navigate it, and add friends, but I essentially gave up after a few days. I'm comfortable with Facebook and I just don't have the time/energy to set it all up again on a different platform.
     
  17. Ziggy

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    I actually agree. I'm lazy too. Now when I go to blogs I get frustrated if they don't have an auto-scroll. But with Android... its like art. I don't like being babied. I get that limiting choices is often a good thing in business, but people like me hate being locked down. Pushed in certain directions (iTunes). I recommend iPhone to my parents, girlfriends, and those who aren't technically inclined.

    Android is a constant project, like a house, you're always working to improve your experience. You can change the entire launcher in 2-clicks. Its a thing of beauty. I wind up tinkering at night when I'm in bed, in line waiting for something, doctors' office, etc...
     
  18. Mr. Clutch

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    Care to back up the profit margin numers?

    There are a lot more Android phones, so it's hard to outsell a single iOS phone. There's more choice in Android.

    The Verizon iPhone was released in February, and yet Android increased its lead:

    http://www.dailytech.com/Android+Ma...+RIMs+Microsofts+Cut+in+Half/article22852.htm

    "In July, Nielsen placed the market share of Google's Android OS in the U.S. at 38 percent. Three months later, for the period ending in August, Nielsen finds that Android has risen to 43 percent of all active U.S. smart phones, a gain of five points. More importantly, among those who bought their phones in June, July, or August, Google had a formidable 56 percent market share."

    Yes, Android is free. Not a bad thing in my book.
     
  19. Scionxa

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    Well the goal is achievable.
    6 months ago Gingerbread was only being used by 5 percent of all Android devices. The latest numbers from last month list Gingerbread as 38 percent, and catching up to Froyo.

    [​IMG]

    http://www.androidcentral.com/latest-android-version-numbers-released-gingerbread-rise
     
  20. Scionxa

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    I think you mean to say that the Android OS has been free for years. Sure there might be some crappy free Android's out there subsidized by carriers but that doesn't diminish the value of Android.

    What's the point of you coming into this thread? The iPhone thread remained pretty civil.

    You really think all of those Android manufacturers would drop it in a heartbeat? Need I remind you that carriers and manufacturers want to CHANGE your phone's experience?
    Carriers and OEM's love the thought of being able to put their own version of something. Sense, Blur, Touchwiz, LG Home, etc.

    It all comes down to the code, the source is widely available for anyone to manipulate.

    This business practice stems all the way from the days of the feature phones.
    Remember when Verizon put "vcast" into all their feature phones? That's a way of making money. This business model is what keeps bloatware alive in Android phones. Carrier's put bloatware in their phones to make a profit.
    I know this isn't necessarily a good thing but I'm just putting this into a carrier point of view, or a manufacturer point of view as to why they would choose Android.
    Which if you think about, goes back to why consumers want Android phones. To do as they please....

    Another good point I might add is that not everyone wants to be Apple's b****..
     

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