Ben Wallace is an overpaid trash. All the Bull players' value has gone down the drain this year and some of them might even sign elsewhere. They need to include Luo Deng and one of either Thomas, Noah or Nocioni plus fillers (for salary matching) -G'day-
Why would you trade t-mac for ben gordan and ben wallace? That's just a dumb trade. Wallace doesn't fit into the Rockets rotation at all, we already have deke, and wallace has no offense whatsoever. Great. So he can hayes can share time? All we need is another guy who can't put points up. And Ben Gordan is a poor man's T-mac? I mean, geez, the only plus side of Gordan is that he's younger and cheaper. But that's negated by having to take wallace. And Ben won't give you as many assists or rebounds as T-mac....he's more of a ball-hog and would have more trouble fitting in then Tmac would (does, but does he really?). Now, T-mac isn't having a bad year, he's having a great one. Despite nagging injuries and some 1-10 performances, he's shooting alright and getting quite a few assists. His numbers ago (except ft's).... Why would you want to trade him????? I mean, geez, unbelievable. This would go done as a really bad trade. Because Ben Gordan will never meet your expectations. Never. Chicago knows it too.
I'd give up Tmac for the right "less talented" players, but Ben Wallace is where offense goes to die. If there's anything we don't need, it's offensive flow poison.
If I'm not mistaken, this is the first mention of Noah. He seems like the kind of open-court player that Adelman would love. How about McGrady, James and CHayes to Chicago... ... for Ben Wallace, Andres Nocioni, Joakim Noah, Chris Duhon.
He writes for a Chicago newspaper. His trade idea is slanted, but then many of the trade ideas proposed over the years on this BBS have also had some type of slant. There are trades at RealGM that work with Gordon and Deng included, but no idea if Chicago would trade both unless Wallace was also moved. The Bulls would have to stack quite a few players to equal the salary of TMac and it might not be a sound deal for them. Even if Chicago was able to stack enough players (excluding Wallace) that was agreeable to both teams, then the Rockets would have an excessive number of players on the roster and some would have to be shifted elsewhere or waived.
Didnt Chicago eventually agree to trading Deng? But Kobe kept exercising his no trade clause because he wanted to be able to still compete in the new team. He thought Deng would be an important piece to have on the Bulls if he moved there?
You gotta take Ben Wallace to make it work. Houston sends - TMac + James (or Francis) Chicago sends - Wallace, Deng and Heinriech + 1st pick. I'd do it. You get a legit SF and a legit PG. Sorry, I'd do it. My only hesitation is how well Brooks is playing for us right now. If we think Brooks in the real deal, adding Heinriech will further muddy our PG situation which finally seems to be shaking out.
There is absolutely no way the Bulls trade Hinrich as part of any package. Him and Thomas are untouchable. Although, I do feel that Thomas could be had for the right price.
I want no part of Wallace. He is on the decline big time. The package I would want would be Hinrich, Gordon, Thomas and Sefolosha for Mac and one of the points, preferably not Brooks. We finally get a solid point with three-point range in Hinrich, we get a scoring 2 to replace T-Mac who can also spread the floor and shoot the trey in Gordon, we get some sorely needed athleticism in Thomas and a guy that our scouts were very high on in Sefolosha. This would give us an eventual starting lineup of: Hinrich Gordon Battier Scola Yao That is a team that could really spread the floor for Yao. It's also a team that plays balls to the wall every night. We'd also have some strong young prospects for the future in Brooks, Sefolosha and Ty Thomas. I'm not so sure Chi-Town does this deal, but Hinrich's value is way down and Gordon's is down a bit this year as well. They would actually be sitting pretty with a starting lineup of (They only lose one starter in the trade): Duhon (or possibly a point sent from Houston) T-Mac Deng Joe Smith Wallace
You are part of the conn. I guess you believe in Santa Claus. Out of all the characters in this story Sam Smith is the one most at risk of losing his job. Chicago newspapers are going bankrupt. He has to invent stories to make a living. I guess those Rockets insiders tend to disclose internal Rockets matters to random newspaper salesmen. This thread is proof of why Sam Smith has a job.
problem with Hinrich is that he has been absolutely horrid from the 3PT line this season. Gordon is a bit of a chucker.. I don't know if I would trade TMAC for a package that didn't include Deng.
The commentators of the chicago local channel also said something like that from some Rockets insiders rockets not happy with tmac's leadership quality
T-mac for: Kirk Hinrich Ben Gordon Chris Duhon Thabo Sefolosha Starting Lineup: Hinrich Gordon Battier Hayes Yao Would that mean we would have to cut 3 players? Dont know how that would work.... Cut Duhon, Sefolosha and Snyder??
It's kind of ironic that Mac has become the player that does not fit. When it was clear that RA had been hired all the rumblings was that Yao would not fit because he's to slow etc.... Now it's Mac that does not fit but it's not because of any physical limitation it's his attitude and unwillingness to buy into the new system. I think JVG babied Mac for the years he coached the team and now that RA will not baby him he's rebeling. If the Rockets trade Mac they will have to be very careful and not set the team back to rebuilding mode.
Tmac for Ben Wallace and Ben Gordon?! Wallace has the one of the worst contract next to Shaq's 3 year 60 mil. I would rather get a package of Ben Gordon, Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas, and Thabo Sefolosha (Or someothers)
