The problem with 48 minute stats and applying them as an average is that you are assuming that his level of play and the flow of the game will remain constant. What the majority of us are saying is that you can't assume that if a player is giving more minutes he will have greater production. A player can wear out or the opposing team can simply focus on him with double or triple man coverage. What's interesting is the quote Dwayne Casey made. "As long as he is playing at that level, he is our starting center". That does not sound like a coach who is totally convinced that his player will continue to deserve to start games.
Against the Heat on Sunday Eddie had: 9 points, 2 rebs ...ouch, it burns. I'm sure the Nets are lining up a trade package right now as well.
Didn't we get to the WCF with Barkley, beating Seattle in a series that the Rockets would have lost, and did lose, the year before!?
Man, you are completely, and utterly delusional. If you want to say that "well, when Eddie Griffin got big minutes, he did well", you've got to understand that players don't produce because they get minutes - they get minutes because the produce. So if Eddie plays 30 minutes and does great, he got 30 minutes because he was playing well. He didn't play well because he got 30 minutes. But also, if we want to take your argument of "he got big minutes and responded", let's look at that. Let's say that any game of 22 minutes or higher is a "big minute" game. Here's his stats: Basically, there's 3 good games in there, one of which is the one that prompted you to start this thread. Now, his rebounding and blocks are pretty good, but we've always known that about Eddie Griffin. The problem is that he is a complete zero on offense, and he has just as many games with good rebounding and block performance as he has with poor performance. Give it up, EG is never going to amount to anything more than he is -- a journeyman PF.
Anyone who has ever actually PLAYED basketball knows that per 48 min stats do not reflect how good of a player you are. For example, when I play, I am admittedly pathetic at creating my own shot. So whenever I in the game, I concentrate on outhustling my man, and as a result I usually get a few cheap put-backs. My point-per-minute stats really aren't all that bad. Still, there is no way a mediocre player like myself, or Eddie, could maintain this level of productivity in a complete game. The defense always adjusts if it considers you a serious threat. The stars' numbers always get pushed down by the double teams, while the role players' stats get bumped because they are left wide-open.
The game you just posted he's averaging a 10 and 10 with over 3 blocks a game in 26.5 minutes. Are you an idiot? Why would you even post something that supports MY argument. I'm not saying he's a god damn allstar I'm saying he's a contributing ROLE player that has earned STARTER minutes in MY OPINION. I also stated he's doing EXCEPTIONALLY well in TWO categories. Rebounding and blocks, of which your post illustrated the "better games" from your completely clueless assimilation of box scores. The numbers I posted accounted for his TERRIBLE games as well as the goods one, and his AVERAGES where in the TOP 5 in the NBA for those categories per minute. Do you understand what an average is? Do you understand an average is a better indicator for performance over time than your ****ty objective box scores you picked out. Do you understand how stupid this quote is, "So if Eddie plays 30 minutes and does great, he got 30 minutes because he was playing well. He didn't play well because he got 30 minutes." He's playing well ON AVERAGE every minute he is in the game in 2 very important categories. What is your argument that this average will come down? The ONLY viable argurment is that his energy level would drop with starter minutes. Any way you look at it he would average well over double figures in rebounds and over 4 blocks a game. If your argument is that he isn't EARNING starting minutes because he's offensively inept, you've stated it horribly. If people think that, they are welcome to their opinion. I also know if we were both GM's I would happily trade you Juwon Howard (or any other jump shooting, floor bound, overpaid, dinosaur) for Griffin. I also know you wouldn't keep your job very long. If your argument is that he's a gun wielding maniac that is a social outcast uncapable of contributing in a team environment, and hasn't earned his minutes by assimilating into some kind of team culture. Well your also welcome to your opinion. Its MY opinion, that is managements job to DEAL with people like this, or else what purpose is their function? I'm pretty sure Dennis Rodman had a bad rap but Phil Jackson was able to keep in line for a couple championships. The fact that another NBA team has Griffin on their roster and he's producing at ALL, is in indication of a ROCKET'S failure. Why isn't he producing for us? Sure, Eddie should get some blame. But if you want to put the blame on a 20 yr old kid, for not succeeding in a multihundred million dollar business capable of a massive support system that's your issue. Basketball is a game that revolves around athletic big men. And guys with Griffin's talent don't come around often. The Rockets made that correct evaluation in what they gave up for him, and they shouldn't have given up on him ESPECIALLY when he was worth nothing. He could have gone on the NBDL team, the organization could have kept him as an asset and got something for him. I would love to know why Swift was in in the dog house and in several trade rumors, than all of sudden gets minutes and starts producing. Is this another example of Van Gundy not wanting to deal with a project? When forced to give Swift minutes, because of injuries, he produces to spite him? Could Swift had produced earlier, but Van Gundy was too busy making him choke down his system? Who knows .. all I know is this Rockets team is too old, and too injured all the time and it shouldn't be an excuse. Amare is down for the Suns, how come they aren't tanking? Having someone like Griffin producing for someone else is "Sale in the Wounds" because it emphasizing the defining failure of this Rockets team to date.
I'm so sick of having to explain how he sucks I don't have the energy to even do it anymore. He just f-king sucks, really he does. It's obvious. That's all I can say. Oh, and I wish they measured/48 how many times he gets backed down or blown by or just falls asleep on defense. Great help defender though...!
I'd like to see tinman and whiplashtony get into an argument. They would both go round and round, oblivious to the fact that they are repeating themselves even after proven wrong. They'd get to the point where they'd try to throw off the facts and drown out any reasonable argument, with tony trying to toss out as many personal insults as possible and tinman emptying his hard drive of stupid pictures. Just picture it: tinman: Well you must not get it I guess all those years of whiplash has messed up your head. (insert picture of whiplash victim, with neck brace on) tinman: You got to think like a CHAMPION! (insert pictures of Cassell, Horry, Hakeem, box of wheaties) whiplashtony: What are you f**king stupid you f**king dumbf**k idiot stupid f**king sh***y pictures motherf**king **** ass **** ****! You're wrong! It would be a 300-page thread with 100,000 views and would continue for years. It would be glorious.
Cause most the board old timers burn outs don't come for a legitmate disussion, just to troll anyone who makes a observation and backs it up with facts. They are obviously the Rocket internet message board authority on all subjects, and its obvious that Eddie Griffin "sucks". /sarcasm off I think I'll go to a Timberwolf board to try and get a feel for how happy their fans are with them, regardless of his high per minute effectiveness as a defender and rebounder statistically. Most of the posters logic has eroded to, "He just sucks". This board is a real meeting of the minds, and should be proud of itself. Does it even have moderators? Anyone willing to have a legitimate disscusion about the value of Griffin I'm more that happy to discuss it as long it doesnt start with , "your dellusional", or some kind of personal attack, I'll just be doing so through email cause this board is a joke. Just look at the number of posts they have its obvious they are losers who come here to vent because they've fixated on a sports team with no bearing on their life, and were emotionally destroyed somehow because Eddie Griffin didn't produce as a Rocket.
You haven't defended your position very well whiplash. Other than ragging on the board and the people coming at you, you've done nothing. Here are some questions : 1) Why does one or two good games from him make not keep Eddie Griffin "salt in the wounds"? That makes no sense. 2) Per 48 minute stats mean squat unless you're an old player. If you're a young player relying on per-48 minute stats, something is wrong with either your coach or the stat because you're not getting more playing time for a reason. 3) Regarding people attacking you and calling you names, it appears you started one of your responses in this thread with the homonym-challenged intro of "Your a moron". Your last post was nothing but personal attacks. Quit trolling and defend your position (which you haven't yet, btw).
lol. I'd seriously welcome that. With the way rox is playing right now, this board needs some more entertainment.
Whiplashtony is a very troubled and confused young man. Please Vengeance do not respond to his puerile attack of his excellence - your point was well taken [at least by me] - well done.
