For one thing Kobe has all world talent, top 5 players in the NBA, and if there is one constant in Sports it's that top line talent will wash away pretty much everything. If, Griffen had that type of talent then things may have been different. So back to my original question? Are you saying we should go and make a trade for Griffen now to get him back? There is no real point in wallowing in past decisions, it's done, Griffen is not a Rocket. If he does well, then great for him. I'm only concerned with the players we have on the team now.
We couldn't get past the Sonics without Barkley and the rest of the team laid down like no other Houston team in '98 after Barkley went down with injury in game 4 of the Jazz series.
Thanks for the back up, I got my head bit off for simple obversation looking over some box scores. Now I'm having to over defend my position when its pretty obvious and clear. Eddie Griffen is having a good year.
Dude .... Per 48 min stats is basically his "game log" for the year. And per minutes given, he's having a pretty good year. And if you look, he got the big minutes and responded as well. Good for Eddie.
You're upset that we let go of a guy who's having such a good year playing a whopping 18 minutes a game. This after his first good game in three weeks and the morning after one of our PFs scored 26 and grabbed 13 boards. Save the per 48 minutes spiel...why is the coach only playing him 18 minutes a game? It's weak and very deserving of one star. And it's Griffin.
Who's upset? At this point I"m sorry I even posted. I"ll go back to lurking for possible trade rumor information. Last time I checked Minn was in first place, having a nice rebound from the debacle last year. I thought at this point of the Rockets disaster season the board would have an appreciation for role players. Eddie played his role well, got promoted, and responded. You can shove the spell checker, and one star, up your ass. I hope he keeps it up for 2 weeks so I can repost and stick it in your eye.
Considering he hadn't had a good game in three weeks until last night, I'll hold off on buying that eye patch.
... and the reasons the coach doesn't play him big minutes. You think coaches don't have access to 48min and +/- stats? They do and they use them. 48min stats are good for adjusting the comparison between starters with starters, bench players with bench players. They are NOT meant for comparing starters with players who play very little.
I'm not saying EG won't be a good player, but using per-48 minute stats on a guy that averages 19 mins per game is often silly.
Let's be reasonable. EG's line this year: 5.2 pts, 6.3 rebs, 2.3 blks, 35.8%, 20.0% from 3 pt. He has not been a good player this year and regardless of his past transgressions, I wouldn't want those sorry numbers on our team. The only thing he has going for him is being young and having "potential", which is the juice that makes so many fans drunk. Forget potential. We need players that can produce now. What EG develops into in 5-6 years wouldn't help us this year or next. But is he showing signs of developing? NO! The fact is EG's stats this year are BELOW his career averages. Which direction is he going? You can take offense at people bashing the thread, but if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. This is Clutchfans and when you try to make a point that is really no point at all, brace yourself. One game does not make a player. The "salt in the wounds" associated with EG has nothing to do with his one good game. It's all about what the franchise gave up to get him only for him to bomb out completely. If he stays out of trouble and bounces around the NBA for a few more years: Great for him. He'll be set financially for life when his basketball career ends. If he ever develops into a consistent contributor on some team, that's icing on his cake. On the per 48 min thing: The less mins/game for a player, the more worthless it is. Like EG, this is another subject that has already been beaten to death on this forum.
Your a moron. You dont think 20 minutes a game is a good enough pool of data to gather whether or not a player can produce at starter minutes 35 to 40 min per? Especially if the data was gathered over the course of 2 months. The fact of the matter is he is one of the most effiecient rebounding and shot blocking big man PER MINUTE in the nba this season. Both areas the rocket power fowards suck at. They aren't exactly shooting the lights out either. And for the record I said the rockets would regret letting him go one day when he signed with the nets. Dig it out of my posts if you want. Just remember who told you so, not because he had one good game. But because I said so when he wasn't doing good at all. We let him walk for nothing. Who knows the real reason, maybe van gundy just wanted to clean house to get rid of the all the Rudy decisions he could. If Eddie turns the corner and ends up succesful, than it should reflect on him.
I think anytime Richard Jefferson has a great game might be the real salt in the wound, no? I'm also really amazed how Griffin gets pretty much a pass for his actions. He freakin fired a gun at his girlfriend for chrissakes. You can go throwing the word thug and punk at a lot of guys in the NBA, but that IMO is a much worse offense than any of the more publicized incidents. Sprewell will be dogged by his choking incident forever, yet Griffin can just start fresh. The dude had PROBLEMS. The Rockets did the right thing.
Fine, screw EG. Make it about the per 48 min production issue that nobody has a legitimate response too. I wish every poster would just say "F off" because we got burned by Eddie and we are bitter. I can live with that. You can tell me the guys on these lists are scrubs. Rebounding RNK NAME GP MPG OFF ORPG DEF DRPG REB RPG RP48 1 Marcus Camby, DEN 25 33.5 66 2.6 256 10.2 322 12.9 18.4 2 Dwight Howard, ORL 25 35.5 81 3.2 231 9.2 312 12.5 16.9 3 Reggie Evans, SEA 24 21.5 72 3.0 108 4.5 180 7.5 16.8 4 K. Perkins, BOS 25 15.1 49 2.0 78 3.1 127 5.1 16.2 5 Eddie Griffin, MIN 25 18.3 44 1.8 109 4.4 153 6.1 16.1 6 Ben Wallace, DET 26 36.1 94 3.6 220 8.5 314 12.1 16.1 7 J. Magloire, MIL 26 30.8 86 3.3 182 7.0 268 10.3 16.0 8 Tim Duncan, SAS 29 35.8 82 2.8 257 8.9 339 11.7 15.7 9 Kurt Thomas, PHO 26 25.7 63 2.4 154 5.9 217 8.3 15.6 10 T. Chandler, CHI 27 26.6 77 2.9 149 5.5 226 8.4 15.1 11 Erick Dampier, DAL 28 24.5 89 3.2 122 4.4 211 7.5 14.8 12 Emeka Okafor, CHA 25 33.6 91 3.6 162 6.5 253 10.1 14.5 13 Drew Gooden, CLE 27 28.0 89 3.3 135 5.0 224 8.3 14.2 14 Shawn Marion, PHO 26 40.2 76 2.9 232 8.9 308 11.8 14.2 Scoring 1 Kobe Bryant, LAL 29 40.1 39.1 13.8-31.5 43.717 1.4-4.9 .297 10.1-12.4 81.063 2 Allen Iverson, PHI 29 43.8 37.4 13.1-28.8 45.407 1.1-3.5 .323 10.1-12.9 78.070 3 LeBron James, CLE 27 41.4 35.2 12.1-24.4 49.736 1.8-5.0 .350 9.1-11.9 76.895 4 Dirk Nowitzki, DAL 28 38.0 33.3 11.6-25.2 46.140 1.8-4.6 .396 8.3-9.3 88.889 5 C. Anthony, DEN 28 35.4 33.3 11.3-24.6 45.866 0.6-2.3 .250 10.1-12.7 79.771 6 Paul Pierce, BOS 27 38.8 33.0 10.9-22.4 48.975 1.5-3.8 .381 9.6-11.9 80.769 7 G. Arenas, WAS 26 41.7 32.8 10.6-24.5 43.400 3.4-8.9 .378 8.2-10.2 80.087 8 Dwyane Wade, MIA 29 38.7 32.7 11.0-23.9 45.975 0.1-1.3 .097 10.6-13.7 76.947 9 Vince Carter, NJN 27 36.5 31.9 10.9-24.3 44.779 1.9-5.2 .355 8.3-9.8 85.075 10 Elton Brand, LAC 27 39.6 30.9 11.6-21.6 53.734 0.0-0.0 .000 7.7-10.0 76.682 11 Michael Redd, MIL 25 38.6 30.7 10.0-22.7 44.176 2.6-5.7 .461 8.1-9.9 81.407 12 Ray Allen, SEA 27 40.0 29.0 10.1-24.0 41.852 3.6-10.4 .348 5.2-5.9 88.722 13 J. O'Neal, IND 26 37.3 28.8 10.8-22.6 47.702 0.1-0.3 .500 7.1-9.5 74.479 14 Eddie House, PHO 26 16.9 28.8 11.7-26.6 44.033 3.9-10.5 .375 1.4-1.7 81.250 15 R. Hamilton, DET 26 36.2 28.6 11.1-22.3 50.000 0.9-1.8 .472 5.5-6.3 87.097 Assists 1 Steve Nash, PHO 26 36.2 267 10.3 105 4.0 13.6 2.54 2 Baron Davis, GSW 27 37.7 261 9.7 81 3.0 12.3 3.22 3 Brevin Knight, CHA 26 33.3 219 8.4 48 1.8 12.2 4.56 4 Carlos Arroyo, DET 26 14.0 91 3.5 25 1.0 12.0 3.64 5 Chauncey Billups, DET 26 34.9 224 8.6 48 1.8 11.8 4.67 6 Andre Miller, DEN 29 35.9 245 8.4 92 3.2 11.3 2.66 7 Jose Calderon, TOR 26 29.7 164 6.3 57 2.2 10.2 2.88 8 Jason Kidd, NJN 28 37.3 216 7.7 69 2.5 9.9 3.13 9 Sam Cassell, LAC 27 35.1 190 7.0 62 2.3 9.6 3.06 10 Luke Ridnour, SEA 26 33.0 169 6.5 49 1.9 9.4 3.45 11 Raymond Felton, CHA 28 20.7 112 4.0 43 1.5 9.3 2.60 12 Boris Diaw, PHO 26 31.8 159 6.1 60 2.3 9.2 2.65 13 Chris Paul, NOR 26 37.1 182 7.0 63 2.4 9.1 2.89 14 Kirk Hinrich, CHI 26 34.5 169 6.5 67 2.6 9.0 2.52 15 T.J. Ford, MIL 26 35.8 173 6.7 86 3.3 8.9 2.01 I mean maybe they still don't trust him with big minutes, or he's just too lost on offense, or their is some conditioning problem I"m unaware off. But if I had a guy on my front line putting up that kind of efficiency and I didn't play him more than 30 minutes a game, I wouldn't expect to keep my job. And if I let him walk because of personal problems when he was in newb in a league, I'd expect to deal with the consequences later when my current roster's front line starts Bruce Bowen.
You called me moron. So this is the last time this moron will respond to you: Your lists just prove what we are trying to tell you. The 48min stats show that Evans and Perkins are better rebounders than Ben Wallance. And Brevin Knight is a better passer than Jason Kidd. Enough said.
1st place in the lotto division. Seattle, Portland, Utah. Minnesota is only 1 game ahead of lotto bound Denver(9th).
