Sage being dealt to Vikings(Deal done announcement Friday)

Man, what can we get for this guy?

If we can only put stickum on his gloves, he would be a keeper.

 

Man how can you actually forget the best name of all.....

Sage Rosencopter

Somewhere in cyberspace, there's a gif of "that play" with this name as the caption

 

Saving that for when it's official: Rosengone.

 

Trades can't occur until Friday. There's a lot of time between now and then. I hope Minnesota doesn't change its mind.

 

we ought to be getting a higher pick imo. i mean, he's gonna start for em.

 

One of those "everyone is a winner" type deals. Texans get a draft pick, where they would have him simply walk if they kept him. MIN gets a starting QB using only a 4th round pick (seriously... if a team drafted a QB with a #4 and that QB became the starter their GM would look a genius); Sage gets to start for a team with reasonable playoff expectations, and Schaub starts without anyone looking ovcer his shoulder. Heck, more winners: the ex-Bronco vet we sign as a backup (natch, it has to be an ex-Bronco) get's a shot at starting a few games when Schaub goes down with his annual injury. And Chron writers win, claiming "I told ya so" when Sage does wellin MIN while the ex-Bronco backup QB struggleshere in HOU. See... everyone is a winner...

 

He'll do very well in MN and should be their starter.

 

The idea that the Texans should get more than a fourth is just laughable.

Do you guys remember how negative the reaction was when the Texans signed Rosenfels a few years ago? That's because he was a middle-of-the-road, mediocre backup. He still is. He's had a few successful games off the bench? Whoop-de-do. Lots of quarterbacks can have success as a change of pace, when there isn't a scouting report on them and there isn't a scouting report on how the offense or other players change with them in control. He's far too turnover-prone to be a dependable starter, and is 31 years old and in the last year of his deal.

The Texans have very good skill players offensively that can make a number of quarterbacks appear passable. Posting a QB rating of 79 with this system and these players isn't rocket science. Rosenfels is the same mediocre, fill-in backup he's always been -- nothing more, nothing less. Players like him are dime-a-dozen, and several are available via free agency this year. So, if you can get a decent draft pick at all, you do it in a heartbeat, because you can replace his role in about two seconds in March.

And yes, what happened to Rosenfels in his most high-profile situation this year lowers his value even more. When you have a limited sample size, as he does, things like that tend to stand out.

 

Garbage Time Pro-Bowler. Let's get that pick!

 

To put it in better perspective, I'd say a fairly comparable player to Rosenfels would be Brian Griese.

Both are solid NFL veteran quarterbacks. Both have decent size, limited mobility, leadership experience, "professionalism," etc. Both are coachable. Both tend to have the gunslinger mentality. As such, both turn the ball over more than they should. Both have regularly started in a pinch -- i.e., 4 or 5 games a year in the past several years, with the exception of one of Griese's seasons in Tampa. Both are in that same class of not good enough to make your full-time starter, but you won't lose sleep if they have to start a fefw games.

What was the value for Griese a year ago? He's a fairly comparable case -- he was two years older than Rosenfels this year, but had an additional year on his contract, so that evens out. To get him, the Bears gave up... Griese and a seventh round pick, for a sixth-round pick from Tampa a year later. The Broncos straight up released him a few years ago.

Say it with me, folks: dime a dozen. Can Rosenfels make a positive contribution to a football team? Sure he can. The problem is, you can't get more than a fourth because there are so damn many quarterbacks that can make the same contributions! It's just not that rare. It just seems more rare in Houston because of the disaster of David Carr.

 

From what I hear, Minny fans aren't exactly teeming with excitement.

 

though my sources aren't too much reliable, ive heard word that the texans have shown some interest in michael vick

 

Ya...the Vikes have been pretty stingy when it has come to investing in QBs. Bringing in Sage isn't exactly the big name the fans were looking for after having to watch Jackson and Ferotte suck it up.

 

Bob Mcnair would never let that happen

 

SPLASH

 

You could be right. The Texans might very well be able to pick up a backup QB who does as well as Sage. But Sage is by far the best backup QB the Texans have managed to land, so it is not a given that the Texans will find a "dime a dozen" replacement.

Sage also had managed to win games when he started. Given Schaub's health, one would expect the Texan backup QB to start five games next year. That is a lot of games to put in the hands of the backup QB if your team has playoff apsirations, especially given the competition in the Texans division.

I posit that from the Texans perspective that Sage is worth well more than a fourth round pick.

 

I highly, highly disagree there. Tony Banks, a journeyman in every sense of the word, posted nearly identical numbers to Sage's best season in 2003, the only year Banks got significant playing time (7 games, 3 starts) with the Texans. And that was with a supporting cast that was significantly worse than the one Rosenfels has had around him.

http://www.nfl.com/players/tonybanks/profile?id=BAN403290

As for expecting the Houston backup QB to start five games next year, it's worth noting that in each season, Schaub's most major injury has drawn a league maximum penalty from the NFL for an illegal hit on the defender. Yes, it's a contact sport, but expecting that to happen every season is a little silly, imo. His history tells you he'll probably miss a couple of games, like most quarterbacks, but missing five games was a fluke.

 

No, he didn't. He performed well, and his team managed to win games. He *did*, however, manage to *lose* a game or two.

 

Well, we dont really have much of a history...We've had Sage for 3 seasons and the 3 years prior to that, we had Tony Banks.

Tony started 3 games for us during his few years in Houston...finished with a 2-1 record, with the one loss being a 3 point loss to the Patriots. That season was his most significant in terms of PT and he was able to post an 84.3 rating. For his career as a Texan, his rating was at 79.02.

Sage's rating last season was at 79.5. It can even be argued that Sage, with the Texans, has had many more weapons on offense than Banks ever did with Houston.

Really, a back up is a back up. There is a reason why they are in that predicament to begin with. It shouldnt be hard to find someone that can come in and toss a few balls around. This offense that we are fielding will make the job much easier for any QB that has to spell Schaub for a few plays/games.