Sacto is hot for Mobley? Well, I was "hot for" Halle Berry a few years ago, but alas, I decided that it probably wasn't going to happen so I "cooled off". I think Sacto should take my lead in regards to Mr. Mobley. Good day!
You have to be able to shoot to average 19 ppg. Even if it is a lay-up or a dunk, it's still considered a shot, so I think Starks was a pretty good shooter and scorer. Even Maxwell averaged over 13 ppg during the 1994 season. And even then those teams were kind of an aberration because the championship teams weren't that good of a rebounding team either.
Yes it would be ludicrous to do something as rash as trade Mobley. But Pollard and Christie would fill some huge holes- that's all I'm saying. I just wish we could trade some Cato and Walt for the two instead. Pollard is everything that Cato isn't: tough, hard nosed defender who crashes the boards. Anyways, I'm rambling. The point is that these two guys would do wonders for this team. Too bad the asking price is our 2nd best player.
I'm with you Baqui99. I think that Christie and Pollard would be great additions to our team. I just think it would be a shame to break up Cat & Steve. I can't wait to see what these do this year!
So, you indeed are going to sit there and cling to MadMax and Starks as your refute that as a rule your shooting guards must knock down the open jumper....despite all the other players and hall-of-famers I mentioned.... I love seeing people cling to the most miniscule evidence in face of mounds of it. Hell, should we back up farther in history, or broaden it to semi-finalists. hmmmm.... That would add more Del Negro's, another Drexler, more Hornacheks, another Dumars, another Hawkins, many more Reggie's, more Ainge's and Scotts, ooh another hall-of-famer Ray Allen, Andrew Toney, the 53% Lewis Lloyd, can we add Vinnie Johnson, another Kobe, Isaiah Rider, a couple great Mitch Richmond's I'll stop now.... And you add one Miami?? and more Starks?? Craig Ehlo.
Crispee, if you have a HOF center then all you need is a SG who can hit the open three in a "dump-in" offense. The Spurs won with Jaren Jackson as their starting 2.
Try a HOF center *AND* HOF power forward. And actually Mario Elie was the starter, and they platoon Steve Kerr, Jaren Jackson and Antonia Daniels. Are you joining SamCassell as denying that as a rule you need a Shooting Guard who can shoot to reach the Finals (if not the semi's even). guys...it isn't a LAW....but it is a close to a rule as there is in the NBA.
You said that it would be hard to think of any teams that had poor shooting SGs. I thought it was funny that you'd forgotten the stone ages when the Rockets won the finals and Vernon Maxwell roamed the basketball court, instead of riding the pine. I didn't say it was common for non-shooting guards to start for contending teams. (BTW, I'm talking about guys who can make outside shots, for the benefit of RoxMillenium. Cato can make layups too, but he's not an outside shooter.) Think outside the box, man. Rudy does! Who says your best shooter has to be a shooting guard? Why can't it be a sweet shooting power forward? Who says that a "power" forward has to have any power in his game, at all. Let the point guard think shot first! Let the guards operate close to the basket while the big men shoot from the outside. Let our smallest starter be our leading rebounder, and let our backup "small" forwards be a tiny 6'11" Damn Lanky and a 6'9" (and growing?) shotblocker named Griff. What would be wrong, on a team like that, with a "shooting" guard who emphasizes the word "guard" instead of the word "shoot"? Don't get caught up in the name game, my friend. Vernon Maxwell by any other name would have still helped up win a title.
Sammie is making fun of me now Hey, the early Mitch Richmond led GS to two semi's. He rocked!! and sam, when did I say the SG has to be the "best shooter." I said the SG is always a main scorer or can drill the open shot. oh boy....so much for my list. let me step outside the box now and rethink why they call it "shooting guard." While I'm doing that, sammie, do you mind listing all the non-shooters there are outside this box?
To borrow a line from Dream Sequence, if we did this trade, then it would be in the immortal words of Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons, "Worse trade, EVER!!!" Seriously, Christie is good, but as some others have pointed out he probably is not going to get a whole lot better while Mobley can continue to blossom into possible superstardom.
Didn't Christie sign a pretty large contract? Doesn't Cat make less than him now? Just curious, really. I wouldn't take Christie, because Mobley has a chance to be a truly great player... even though he never met a shot he didn't like. I guess that's why they call it "shooting guard..."
That trade would already be bad enough talent-wise, but another thing nobody has mentioned is the salaries. I think everyone would agree that Mobley is a STEAL at his 6 year for around $30 millon salary. Christie and Pollard both have ridiculously expensive long-term contracts. Christie: 01/02 $5,000,000 02/03 $5,625,000 03/04 $6,250,000 04/05 $6,875,000 05/06 $7,500,000 06/07 $8,125,000 07/08 $8,750,000 Pollard: 01/02 $4,344,188 02/03 $4,826,876 03/04 $5,309,563 05/06 $5,792,250 06/07 $6,274,937 Christie, Pollard, Cato and Taylor would take up $31,032,250 in cap space in the 05/06 season! No thanks.
trading cat for christie would be a huge mistake! IF we had to trade him, we would want an "a-grade" player, not an average one.
You know something? I'm one LAZY a**!! I went back and found out who actually said that and edited my previous post. I guess I should have done that in the first place. Oh well, anytime you get to put in a Simpsons reference, it makes for a fun post.
chrispee, I agree with you and think your argument can be extended to guards and maybe even SF. No, or at least very few, quality 1-2-3s will not be able to knock down an open shot with relative frequency. Any 1-2-3 who can be left alone from 20 feet and not make you pay more often than not just isn't a complete enough player to balance an offense. You can get away with not having a good shot being a defense or offensive force on the low block, namely being a 4 or 5, but not really elsewhere. Further, even more than 1 or 3, the most important function of a 2 is hit the open shot when available. The only championship team I can readily think with a guard with a poor outside shot and poor range on his shot was Avery Johnson. And that Spurs team certainly didn't win with offense and it was obvious he was the most exploitable link to that team. Further, that team could not have hung with any of the other 90s champions because of their average guard play.
