Sabonis to Sac for Haliburton

For younger Arvydas no doubt.

No brainer.

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Best dude from the Soviet Union.

 

Sure except Sabonis doesn't impact winning like Shane Battier, and Haliburton does everything well unlike Rudy Gay.

 

So Fox isn't getting traded

 

Lol Look at Haliburton now he is unleashed man. Pacers got their new franchise player.

 

You know what? I hope this works out for the Kings. I’m tired of the massive overreactions to unexpected trades. Sabonis is very, very good, and I didn’t like the narrative that seemed to imply otherwise.

 

Maybe a win-win, we'll have to revisit when both players hit FA.

 

First I thought he was another 28 year old player but turns out he is 25. Bearable.

 

I was definitely in the “wtf are the Kings doing?” camp, but yeah that was an overreaction.

Sabonis has his flaws but is a very good player. The Kings roster construction didn’t work. They weren’t going to get any value for Fox. Tearing it down and bottoming out to build around Haliburton would be the best shot at doing something that could build a title contender but I get wanting to just have a shot at making the playoffs over the next few years when you’ve been bad that long. The move they made does that assuming he signs an extension.

 

Also, by making the playoffs it increases the value of their players - could develop towards contendership by flipping 2 pieces for a better 1

 

Franchise player?

We have different thoughts on what a franchise player is.

And they lost the last 3 since the trade by an average of double digits.

 

I'm a fan of Haliburton but I don't think he's a "franchise level/all-nba level" player. His ceiling is probably as an all-star. He's like a Khris Middleton level player, extremely valuable to any good or contending team.

 

I don't think anybody is saying Sabonis isn't a very, very good player. What people are saying is that he is what you see now. Sabonis is in his prime already. If he is your best player, you team aren't going very far. He is a third tier star player.

Haliburton on the other hand has a very high ceiling. He and Sabonis is probably at the same level now, maybe a tad lower than Sabonis in terms of consistency. But he has the look of being a franchise type player. The fact that the Kings would give up a player like that is what people are talking about.

 

Though I prefer Turner, I rather Sabonis than Wood. (Sabonis is slightly younger too)

 

Turner is the better fit here but Sabonis could be a Webber lite with more rebounding.

A Divac who can distribute the ball ala Princeton Offense.

It is a throwback to the Adelman Kings.

You just lack the defenders.

 

No they aren't, and like I said, posts like this significantly underrate Sabonis. Sabonis is Top 10 in the NBA in points created, top ten in TS% (.65), and top 15 in VORP. On top of that, he gives you 12 boards a night, and his defense is very much underrated -- he's know for his offense, but RAPTOR has him +1.8 on Defense (v. +2.1 on offense).

Haliburton absolutely has a high ceiling and a high likelihood of becoming a franchise player, but Sabonis already IS a franchise big man.

 

As we saw, Wood's value around the league was not that high. GMs recognized what we saw in Rocket games... bad paint defense. Only a few teams can fit Wood. Sabonis, another offensive center, was enough for Pacer to land a Haliburton. If Sabonis was on the market, Stone could have thrown more talent to get him, a kpj+wood+salary filler.

Rockets has to keep trading up. Matter less if Sabonis and Sengun are redudant, team defense is last anyways. Team needs to keep flipping and trade up for talent.

 

Wood is a regular season player who may have or may not have potential for more.

But I think the best timing would be trading him before the season when teams are not concerned about making the Playoffs.

Teams know he is a 18 and 11 type of player with flaws, I doubt it is a trade secret.

Stone was also playing hardball, there was little trade news.

Miami is very deep, I wouldn't do the Wood deal either when you don't know what Oladipo can bring to the table.

 

I guess this is where people are difference from your view. If Sabonis is already a franchise player, he is not one that can bring your franchise to a championship. Indiana was going nowhere with him as their franchise player. And it's not like he had trash teammates.

Haliburton is already almost as good as Sabonis and is only the second year in the league. This trade is as best a lateral move for the Kings. At worst, they trade away a player who can be the best player on a championship team.