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S.D. Abortion Bill Takes Aim at 'Roe' & blog posts Abortion Manual as response

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by oomp, Mar 1, 2006.

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  1. gwayneco

    gwayneco Contributing Member

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    Regardless of the legal consequences or lack thereof, there is no meaningful moral distinction between the actions of Andrea Yates and a woman who gets an abortion.
     
    #81 gwayneco, Mar 6, 2006
  2. SamFisher

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    Wow, indie music and ultra self-righteous moral condemnation - your sperms and blastulas and fetuses are sure going to get some mixed signals when they grow up!
     
    #82 SamFisher, Mar 6, 2006
  3. No Worries

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    A couple of weeks back, I read somewhere on The Net that most Jews believe that life starts at birth. It is interesting that some Christians belive otherwise, since I have always assumed that any anti-abortion scripture foundation had to come from the OT. Ya know it is not like Jesus ever said "abort your fetus and go to hell".
     
    #83 No Worries, Mar 6, 2006
  4. GladiatoRowdy

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    You are wrong. Horribly, utterly, completely wrong.

    Are you seriously trying to draw a moral comparison between a woman who decides to abort an embryo at 8 weeks gestation and a woman who drowned her children in a bathtub!?!?!

    If so, your moral compass is 180 degrees off.
     
    #84 GladiatoRowdy, Mar 6, 2006
  5. MR. MEOWGI

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    Every action is unique. Each one has its own moral distinction.
     
    #85 MR. MEOWGI, Mar 6, 2006
  6. RocketMan Tex

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    Feminist rhetoric??

    :D

    Pardon me if you cannot handle the truth.
     
    #86 RocketMan Tex, Mar 6, 2006
  7. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    How could anyone conclude that killing a baby is morally equivalent to killing a baby?
     
    #87 StupidMoniker, Mar 6, 2006
  8. RocketMan Tex

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    Babies are born.

    Fetuses are not babies.

    Let the meltdown flamewar begin!!!

    :D
     
    #88 RocketMan Tex, Mar 6, 2006
  9. GladiatoRowdy

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    She drowned five children aged six months to seven years IIRC. If you cannot see the moral difference between that and aborting an eight week old fetus, then your moral compass is off by about 180 degrees.
     
    #89 GladiatoRowdy, Mar 6, 2006
  10. SamFisher

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    Well, legally, even if an embryo was a baby and aborting it was a crime - killing one "baby" < killing five "babies", hence the different penalties for both, which reflects, in some way, the moral difference between the two items.

    Did you actually need me to explain this to you or are you just making a jackassinine statement to join into gweenie's flamebortionbaiting?
     
    #90 SamFisher, Mar 6, 2006
  11. oomp

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    Well - The S.D. Governor signed the bill. I bolded the Google Sponsored links because they are as bizzarre as this happening.


    S.D. Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law

    http://apnews.myway.com//article/20060306/D8G69TV80.html


    Mar 6, 3:43 PM (ET)

    By CHET BROKAW


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    (AP) Gov. Mike Rounds looks up as he prepares to sign a bill March 6, 2006, in Pierre, S.D., that bans...


    PIERRE, S.D. (AP) - Gov. Mike Rounds signed legislation Monday banning nearly all abortions in South Dakota, setting up a court fight aimed at challenging the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion.

    The bill would make it a crime for doctors to perform an abortion unless the procedure was necessary to save the woman's life. It would make no exception for cases of rape or incest.

    Planned Parenthood, which operates the state's only abortion clinic, in Sioux Falls, has pledged to challenge the measure.

    Rounds issued a written statement saying he expects the law will be tied up in court for years and will not take effect unless the U.S. Supreme Court upholds it.

    "In the history of the world, the true test of a civilization is how well people treat the most vulnerable and most helpless in their society. The sponsors and supporters of this bill believe that abortion is wrong because unborn children are the most vulnerable and most helpless persons in our society. I agree with them," Rounds said in the statement.

    The governor declined all media requests for interviews Monday.

    The Legislature passed the bill last month after supporters argued that the recent appointment of conservative justices John Roberts and Samuel Alito have made the U.S. Supreme Court more likely to overturn Roe v. Wade.

    Abortion opponents already are offering money to help the state pay legal bills for the anticipated court challenge, Rounds has said. Lawmakers said an anonymous donor has pledged $1 million to defend the ban, and the Legislature set up a special account to accept donations for legal fees.

    Under the new law, to go into effect July 1, doctors could get up to five years in prison for performing an illegal abortion.

    Rounds noted that it was written to make sure existing restrictions would still be enforced during the legal battle. Current state law sets increasingly stringent restrictions on abortions as pregnancy progresses; after the 24th week, the procedure is allowed only to protect the woman's health and safety.

    Kate Looby, state director of Planned Parenthood, said the organization has not yet decided whether to challenge the measure in court or to seek a statewide public vote in November. A referendum would either repeal the abortion ban or delay a court challenge to the legislation.

    "Obviously, we're very disappointed that Governor Rounds has sided on the side of politics rather than on the side of the women of South Dakota to protect their health and safety," Looby said.

    She said Planned Parenthood would continue providing services that include family planning, emergency contraception and safe and legal abortions.

    About 800 abortions are performed each year in the state.
     
    #91 oomp, Mar 6, 2006
  12. gwayneco

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    It's too bad Osammy Bin Fisher's drug addict w**** mother didn't have an abortion. That would have been morally justifiable.
     
    #92 gwayneco, Mar 6, 2006
  13. RocketMan Tex

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    Now Now Sammy and Gwayne.....is Big Daddy RocketMan Tex gonna have to put you two in Timeout, or is he going to have to tie you both down and force feed you Ashley Simpson music until the both of you go insane???

    :D
     
    #93 RocketMan Tex, Mar 6, 2006
  14. gwayneco

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    Those who attempt to draw meaningless time and place distinctions such as yours are the ones who are morally bankrupt.

    EDIT - On second thought, I don't think they are morally bankrupt, just wrong.
     
    #94 gwayneco, Mar 6, 2006
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  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    Wow. Just wow.
     
    #95 GladiatoRowdy, Mar 6, 2006
  16. RocketMan Tex

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    I guess you're not winning Best Director this evening, are you!

    ;) :D
     
    #96 RocketMan Tex, Mar 6, 2006
  17. thegary

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    this might be the most malicious post i've ever seen :eek:
     
    #97 thegary, Mar 6, 2006
  18. GladiatoRowdy

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    Meaningless time and place distinctions?!?!?!

    One of the women in your example would be making the difficult, but not uncommon choice to discontinue an unwanted pregnancy.

    The other made the choice to cold bloodedly drown five children in her bathtub.

    And I am the one who is "morally bankrupt" for being able to see a difference?
     
    #98 GladiatoRowdy, Mar 6, 2006
  19. GladiatoRowdy

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    I just hope that he gets a chance to answer my latest post before he gets banned. Not bloody likely, though.
     
    #99 GladiatoRowdy, Mar 6, 2006
  20. gwayneco

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    Were any of you as outraged by what he said in the post that is quoted in my sig?
     
    #100 gwayneco, Mar 6, 2006
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