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Russian Youth: STALIN GOOD!!!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MadMax, Jul 25, 2007.

  1. MadMax

    MadMax Member

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    i agree...i keep coming back to this. 20 million dead. suffering. concentration camps. 20 million!

    in the words of ozzie smith: "pffft...please."
     
  2. MadMax

    MadMax Member

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    And then there's this Russian:

    http://www.interfax.com/3/297018/news.aspx

    U.S.-led policy complicating situation worldwide - Gorbachev
    MOSCOW. July 27 (Interfax) - Former USSR President Mikhail
    Gorbachev has said that the complicated situation in the world is
    largely due to the position of the United States, which suffers from
    "winner complex."
    "The U.S. is always anxious to win. The fact that they suffer from
    this disorder, the winner complex, is the main reason why things are so
    complicated in the world," Gorbachev said at a press conference at
    Interfax on Friday.
    With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the U.S. felt like it had
    its hands untied, he said.
    "They forced the war in Europe. They thought that now they have a
    chance and must create a new empire. All intellectual and political
    forces were involved. Now everything has calmed down. It was wishful
    thinking," Gorbachev said.
    The end of the Cold War is both sides' achievement, he said.
    "We all lost in the Cold War, and all benefited from its end. We
    lost, and the U.S. did, as each spent 10 trillion dollars on the arms
    race. Without our proposal there would be nothing: no end to the Cold
    War, no decision to reduce nuclear weapons," he said
     
  3. yuantian

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    it's globalization !!! the world is getting smaller, people are not comfortable with it. everywhere, people are turning into nationalsim, racism, and so on. just watch, another world war is coming in the future. cuz people around world are going nuts with all these migration and stuff.
     
  4. pirc1

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    The only way to save earth is an out space invasion and some how mankind over come that (or not ) ;)
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    I think Gorbachev makes a good point. Its clear that following the end of the Cold War many looked forward to US hegemony or even advocated a Pax Americana. This has had created several problems such as the US being embroiled in all sorts of global conflicts that might be better solved through other means, the US getting blamed for not intervening in conflicts and a dependency on the part of Europe and other places on the US for taking action, for instance in Bosnia the Europeans couldn't act until the US did even though it was in their backyard.
     
  6. rocketsjudoka

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    Globalization goes both ways. While it creates resentments it also ties countries together too with economic interdependence. Most large economies are unlikely to go to war with each other due to the amount of interpendence they have. A war between the PRC and the US would be disastrous not just due to the size of the militaries but also since both are dependent on the other economically.

    While many resent globalization the ones you see who are willing to take up arms over it tend to be non-state groups or groups representing people who have been marginalized or out of the global economy.
     
  7. yuantian

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    i hope what you say is true. but people remember resentments way more than good things. well, a war is going to happen eventually. no matter how people try to avoid it. that's just human nature.
     
  8. Rocket River

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    I seriously don't think War is a part of human Nature
    conflict yet. . .war no

    Rocket River
     
  9. pirc1

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    Every power in human history since the beginning of time has build up military might as much as they could, how could war not follow as a result?
     
  10. Rocket River

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    I do beleive we can evolve out of it
    we can find another way
    just because something has always been done that way
    does not mean it is our nature .. . maybe the way we teach each other to be
    but not innate

    Rocket River
     
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    I am not sure I share your optimistic view, I hope you are right.
     
  12. yuantian

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    i sure hope what you say is true. but as long as there are race, religion, and nation states, there will always be conflicts. the only way to evolve out of it is to eliminate race, religion, etc. but i'm sure even if we got rid of those, other issues would arise to cause future conflicts. maybe like someone said before, aliens come to attack us all, that's when we will unite. but either aliens get rid of all, or we beat them and go back to fighting each other again.
     
  13. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm not sure I'm reading this right but it sounds like you are saying you believe war is inevitable between the US and PRC. :confused:
     
  14. MadMax

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    i'm hopeful, too RR. peace is coming.
     
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Only the dead have seen the end of war - Plato
     
  16. MadMax

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    i would quote a bible verse in response, but few would care.
     
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    yeah my father did haha. actually not mail order he probably met her on some stupid friend finder crap. people are dumb.
     
  18. yuantian

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    no, i'm not referring to anything specific. just in general. i mean, there is a war going on right now iraq.
     
  19. arno_ed

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    LOL. you are aware that you are exaclty the same right? The russians used propagando to portray the west as terrible people, However the west also used propaganda the exact same way to discredit russians. You also think everything in russia is polluted and bad.

    I always find it funny that people say that in other countries people are brainwashed and unfluenced by propaganda but that those people cannot see that the USA(and the west) did/does the exact same thing.

    You only have to mention Communism and people react to it like it is the most terrible thing in the world. People even use it as a way to insult people. Those people are not able to see the good things in communism, and in communistic countries. Those people are also effected by Propaganda. The only difference is, that that propaganda is what you are used to.
    LOL
     
  20. arno_ed

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    If i might ask what is the difference between conflict and war?

    I believe war: which means IMO the fighting over resources or land. is human nature. Also of all the other animals. In every species individuals have a territory that they defend against others.

    chimps are even known to actually go on raiding expeditions in territories of other groups to be able to kill some of them and eventually increase their land and resources.

    you should read this book: http://www.amazon.com/Demonic-Males-Origins-Human-Violence/dp/0395877431

    altough if you do not believe in evolution the book might be less interesting:D
     

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