Germany was a heckuva power in the 30's and 40's. I'm thinking the overwhelming majority of Germans today would not speak highly of the Fuhrer.
Germany has made a conscientious effort to wipe out its Nazi past. Nazi literature is banned, schools make sure to teach the horrors of the Nazi machine, and society in general has made efforts to erase any references to the Nazi past. Russia has done none of these things. And on top of that, East Germany, with its awful economic conditions and rising unemployment has seen a rise in neo-nazi sentiment. It's just that anytime anything major might happen, the German government goes out and crushes it before anything can happen. Germany = pro-active, Russia = indifferent
Germany tried to conquer the world and wipe an entire race of people. Mao didn't come close to that, many people died due to his stupid policies that caused mass starvation, but he did not order those people to be killed. If Mao died right after communist government took power in 1949 he would be regarded as a great leader because he actually unified China from different warring factions. His down fall is that he has absolutely no idea how to run a country but insist on having the power to order everyone around (Junior is sort of like him in that regard).
i'm talking about this particular poll...which is about stalin. and i related it to how germans feel about hitler, today. it would be my hope that the feelings the germans have about hitler in huge proportions would be the same that the overwhelming majority of russians would feel towards stalin.
Ok, I understand. There is one huge difference. Hilter was completely defeated and committed suicide while Stalin was a victor. As they say history are written by the winners. Let's say Hilter conquered the whole Europe during world war II and the same German government continued to today. How would the German youth feel about Hilter today? I would love to see a poll on how the Japanse youth feel about the Japanese leaders from world war II, I bet you will be real surprised about the poll results.
I might be surprised. Or disappointed. Bottom line: I would hope people wouldn't support just anything in pursuit of nationalism. Particularly as something as horrible as roughly 20 million dead under Stalin. I wouldn't necessarily call Stalin a "winner." Remember, the next leader, Khruschev, condemned him and ushered the Soviet Union through a period knows as De-Stalinazation. Some 8 million people were freed from slave labor camps inside the Soviet Union at that point. It's not as if his successors came to power as heirs to the "throne" he created or expanded for them...they actually worked against it. The remaining Stalinists staged uprisings to try to take back power...they failed.
Thats because he has worked it so that every press outlet that has ever criticized him has had their licenses revoked.
Well that's your opion, but I bet if you took a poll of people in China that opion would be less than 5%. If you took a poll of that of all the countries around the world I bet it would be significantly less than 50%. Mao is no saint, but he is no Hitler.
I seriously Doubt Russian hits these points that hard I would be willing to bet they gloss over this like American history does over Slavery and the Slaughter of the Native Americans With the Glossing be such that people would probably. . Like americans . . think it wasn't so bad Rocket River
RR, maybe more people should go to college, but I had several fine courses over the years I was there that were very explicit in covering what America did wrong regarding slavery and the fate of Native Americans. I have to say it wasn't covered like it should have been in high school. Of course, I was already knee deep in books about the history of a host of subjects by then, which led to being frowned upon by some of my teachers for questions I posed. Questions I knew the answers to, but hoped would spark a discussion about the truth. They didn't like getting out of their "comfort zone." D&D. Impeach Bush and Cheney.
I'm guessing if you asked people in the US today what they thought of America's history with slavery and treatment of Native Americans, there would be almost universal condemnation. Well in excess of 80% of respondents, I'm guessing. In only the smallest circles would anyone suggest they "approve" of American's slave trade history. With Stalin, we're talking about concentration camps and roughly 20 million dead. They don't gloss over that sort of history in Germany. They shouldn't in Russia, either.
Question: How does the typical American feel about a bunch of presidents that had slaves? The Texas Heroes that were big time naive Killers? Are the reviled? While the practice is reviled those . .the person is not. So while they my hae what Stalin did .. . he is held in the same esteem as various American heroes that had some type of issues upon them. Rocket River
Well, I definitely agree with you God's Son. I am confused on one point though... aren't we destined to go through the tribulation before you appear again? And I always thought your announcement to the world would pack a little more pow then a basketball bbs. Still, glad to see you here.
The point is . . . when history is written . . . . I beleive the Russians are softer on Stalin than those that are no Russian I'm sure there are some . .. descendents of the murdered that are still upset and hate the man but those that were not descendents of those murdered maybe a bit more looking at what he did for Russia than how he did it It is easy for us to come out a scream how DREADFUL this is but We do the same thing with alot of our own Why is that so hard to grasp for some? we simply say . .well ours were bad but not *that* bad It seems easy for me to see how they would downplay the negative and embrace the positive. Rocket River
