Russia: We will attack Poland if US puts Muissle Defense System there

Good time to see if the "Star Wars" project will live up to it's potential.

 

Wait why do we need a missile defense system in Poland again?

I can think of a few better uses for that money that probably will piss fewer people off too.

 

Russia will definitely not nuke Poland. Stupid for them to even say something like that.

 

Yeah stupid for the Russians to say that. Stupid for us to act like they will. Why waste a few billion in Poland by sending these missiles, which testing shows don't even work that well.

The neo-cons will spend us into bankruptcy and all we will have to show for it are some old military stuff and increased enemies.

 

And piss off a valuable ally in the war on Militant Islam.

Paging Mr. Obama.....Mr. Obama to the Whitehouse....STAT !

DD

 

Good you see the connection with the election.. McCain, Rush and gang will push the old fear of Russia. All McCain has is his militarism/ anti-terrorism image. Folks are getting tired of Iraq, despite the alleged happy ending with the surge. They are getting tired of trying to keep Karzai in power in Afghansitan, too. The whole elect a neo-con due to fear of terrorism is getting old.

Ressureccting the old fear of the Russians is perfect for McCain. At this stage probably even better than a video from Osama Bin Laden, which tends to appear around election time.

 

'cause we had a really great relationship with Russia right until Poland agreed to the ABM deal, right?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14984

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1559889/Russian-bombers-buzz-US-base-in-Guam.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2400345.ece

http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2371811

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26080747/

And how exactly were they a valuable ally in the war on 'Militant Islam'?

 

They are having some of the same issues that the rest of the world is having with Militant Islam, and because of that, are on the same side of this issue.

Didn't some radical Muslims take over a theater and kill a bunch of hostages?

They could be a valuable resource in helping us root out the radical Mullahs.

But not if we don't work with them.....

DD

 

They were Chechens. Maybe you should look into that subject a bit more before you assign blame and declare them 'radical jihadists'. If anything, the way the Russians invaded Chechnya and used scorched earth tactics radicalized a bunch of Chechens to go and fight Americans elsewere. They weren't 'jihadists' in Chechnya until the Russians made them, and the Russians made the vague 'war on radical Islam' much worse.

First Chechen War
Second Chechen War

THE "DIRTY WAR" IN CHECHNYA:FORCED DISAPPEARANCES, TORTURE, AND SUMMARY EXECUTIONS

At least now you aren't claiming that they are a valuable ally, but that they could be. I find that to be idle, empty speculation given the track record, but at least that is more honest.

 

Putin started "turning to the dark side" in a very clear way several years ago. Not the kind of stuff that jumps out at you in the news but the signs were clear as day: Persecuting/prosecuting people he didn't like, clamping down on the press, squeezing Ukraine, etc, etc. It's a long list of stuff that maybe someone else here can lay out in detail. It's been a while since anyone had the wooly-headed idea that Russia would be an ally. It almost seems like immediately after Bush made the stupidly ignorant remark about seeing into Putin's soul (by looking into his eyes) that Bush was proven to be blind as a bat with his eyes shut.

Not trying to be negative, but the notions that Russia and China will ever be strategic allies of the U.S. are misguided. There are common interests (such as the fight against Islamic extremism) but that's it. For the indefinite future, the 3 countries will be major rivals who may happen to have overlapping agendas on occasion.

Ottomaton, I hear you about Chechnya but I don't know if it's quite that simple. But nobody can reasonably argue the Russians didn't epically blow it there.

 

Well you never addressed the Kennan, Sam Nunn, Friedman argument that it was the US continuation of the Cold War through the expansion of NATO, from which Russia was excluded, which has at least temporarily lost the opportunity for Russia to be our ally.


What does the US gain by putting these missiles in Poland? Hopefully you would not advocate all out nuclear war to protect Poland or Georgia for that matter. How come Russia has not attacked already since Poland has not been part of NATO for the past 17 years since the Fall of the Wall?

Wouldn't it be good to try to better the relationship with Russia. After all we have even gotten along better with N. Korea once we tried negotiating.

 

It is clear that you don't know what you are talking about when you come up with comments like this.

 

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...t_to_Venezuela_Chavez/articleshow/3374649.cms

Yep... and they've sent their carrier and missile ships, as well as a couple of submarines to the ports of Syria. If I'm not mistaken, this is Russian containment of the Israeli threats. Those planes on the carrier are fully armed with sunburn anti ship missiles, and the subs are armed with cavitation torpedoes. There's no known defense against them.

Talk about chess moves! SCO is on the move! Expect to see something happen right after the closing ceremony of the Olympics. You've got the super armada of the USA, UK, and France off the coast of Iran, Russian fleet off the coast of Syria, tactical nukes in Ossettia, in striking distance of all of the middle East, Iran's got the Chinese antiship missiles stringing the coast off the straits of Hormuz. Georgia will probably be a staging point for Russian long distance bombers. Those planes carry cruise missiles. Amazing, it's amazing to see how well placed the pieces are. It's like the American Queen (combined tri-lateral fleet) is surrounded by a rook (russian naval fleet off of Syria), a bishop (Russian bombers launching from Georgia), a line of well placed pawns (Iranian revolutionary guards), and a knight (the tactical nukes in Southern Ossettia). And then Israel is the bishop, surrounded with two pawns, (Syria, and Lebanon). The American pieces are mired in Iraq in a fork and double attack (Iranian shiite allies, and Iranian missiles on the Iran/Iraq border).

Any halfway decent chess player would resign. The idiotic powers that be only have a Queen on the board. They have no advantage. Hell, did you read how NATO reacted? They said they were going to react to Russia... with a dispute and discussion over diplomatic issues!! NATO HAS NO TEETH!! http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4568150.ece

Then it's true, the Iraq and Afghanistan war didn't just break the US military, it's also straining NATO.

Well, the idiots in charge do have another option, but that would be complete insanity. It's akin to not just getting rid of the board, but to killing both of the players.

 

The main area they aligning around is Israel.



That is all for now.

 

lemme guess ur christian and beleive we are lining up for armageddon

 

Ottomaton-

What does the US gain with this move? Was Bush justified in unilaterally pulling out of the ABM treaty if his only intent was to set up these sorts of theater missile defense systems?

Maybe this doesn't completely undermine MAD, but I think it makes a first strike with tactical nukes more likely, perhaps against Iran. That would be disastrous.

 

no, i'm mayan.

 

Absolutely nothing. It is stupid.

But that doesn't mean that the big ol' grumpy bear is right or justified or the good guy, either.

My personal belief, based on the evidence, is that they've been looking to start a beef with the USA for some time now for some sort of internal control and cohesion reason and to flex their muscle on the outside world. See the bomber assault practice missions on USA and GB. They want to get grumpy and bellicose and play Cold War and this makes as good a manufactured reason as any.

If it weren't for this, they'd come up with something else. Invent some reason to invade Ukraine or something. They are feeling their oats and want to tussle.

 

It's at least a test of things to come (as in, how simple it will be to roll right through the area)... after all, if Russia is part of the "Gog & Magog" scenario, Georgia is along the way to the Valley of Megiddo.

You tell me.



It's not like Syria and Iran won't help them get there when it comes to that part of the journey... China won't side with the US either in the long run...

 

Why would they start by moving due east straight outta south-central suburban Moscow?