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Russia Paid Bounties to Murder US Troops, Trump Lets Them

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  1. SamFisher

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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    @pgabriel @bigtexxx do you guys ever tire of defending trump? Do you really think he’s an infallible human? You have to realize everyone views you as trolls or fools. There’s a clear pattern of Trump’s incompetence and no matter how many individual stories you try to debunk, the overwhelming picture is that he’s exactly as advertised: silver spoon baby who lucked into fortune and has no practical political experience or common sense to do his job properly. It’s abundantly obvious to any rational observer
     
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    I agree with your assessment. But he's the only one willing to fight. The rest of the (r)s are cowards. Keep an eye on the indictments between now and November. SDNY is key. This effort to impeach Barr is a last ditch effort to save themselves. The MSM isn't reporting it but you'll be shocked. They'll say it's Barr/Durham playing dirty politics. It's not. Trump campaigned on this.

    But yeah, he's what you described above.
     
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    from WSJ:
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    The National Security Agency strongly dissented from other intelligence agencies’ assessment that Russia paid bounties for the killing of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, according to people familiar with the matter.

    The disclosure of the dissent by the NSA, which specializes in electronic eavesdropping, comes as the White House has played down the revelations, saying that the information wasn’t verified and that intelligence officials didn’t agree on it.

    ..."

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/nsa-differed-from-cia-others-on-russia-bounty-intelligence-11593534220

    From NYT:

    "American officials intercepted electronic data showing large financial transfers from a bank account controlled by Russia’s military intelligence agency to a Taliban-linked account, evidence that supported their conclusion that Russia covertly offered bounties for killing U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, according to three officials familiar with the intelligence.

    Investigators also identified by name numerous Afghans in a network linked to the suspected Russian operation, the officials said — including, two of them added, a man believed to have served as an intermediary for distributing some of the funds and who is now thought to be in Russia.

    The intercepts bolstered the findings gleaned from the interrogations, helping reduce an earlier disagreement among intelligence analysts and agencies over the reliability of the detainees. The disclosures further undercut White House officials’ claim that the intelligence was too uncertain to brief President Trump. In fact, the information was provided to him in his daily written brief in late February, two officials have said."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/politics/russian-bounties-afghanistan-intelligence.html

    ANY TRUE BLOODED AMERICAN SHOULD DEMAND TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS INSTEAD OP CALLING IT A HOAX
     
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    What are you're sources for this information?
     
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    LOL
    Trump campaigned that foreign countries would print millions of mail-in ballots and mail them to voters???
     
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    Ahhahaahaha
     
  9. pgabriel

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    get to it how the story keeps changing. I still say Trump didn't know because he has no motivation not to respond.

    That being said it seems repotting this story has only complicated the matter for intelligence agencies. They obviously aren't in agreement and usually when a story makes it to the public like election interference they have all agreed on the accusations.

    The New York Times now has a vested interest in the story being true for their own credibility. John Bolton whose job it was to inform the president is out torpedoing Trump but he won't confirm he knew. That makes sense according to the original timeline because he was gone.

    Also the Taliban fighter with the money was found this year. So now intelligence is saying that they had suspicions before he was found.

    The CIA keeps changing their story,, that's not my opinion that's a fact. First Trump was briefed in March. Now he was briefed last year. First it started with the Taliban fighter having $500K. Now they were suspicious before because of wiretaps and other interrogations. This is ridiculous
     
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    like trump's story never changes?

    you mean he didn't read?

    if he knew should he care?
     
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    I am not going to follow this story breathlessly hr by hr as the mainstream media wants. I would not be surprised if this is horse****, much as Benghazzi, Trump is a Putin Agent, the Syrians gassed a few rebels, just a month after the GOP was giving Obama hell about not invading or whatever as Assad had not crossed Obama's red line on that issue.

    Hey, after Benghazzi I do have sympathy for the Dems doing something similar to defeat Trump who is a moronic criminal disaster.

    BTW I would be shocked if the US has not offered a bounty for all sorts of rebels to kill Russians, Iranians, Venezuelans or whoever else are the enemies de jour.
     
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    Another parent of a slain American soldier speaking out...

     
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    So not only was Great Britain briefed on the russian bounties on American soldiers lives, but NATO as well. And we are to believe that trump was not, because there wasn't enough agreement on the information?

    NATO officials say they were briefed on Russian bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan — even though Trump claims he wasn't
    https://www.businessinsider.com/rus...an-nato-officials-briefed-trump-denies-2020-6
     
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    Despite all that has been brought forward including republican congressmen who were briefed this week... trump sticks with the "hoax to hurt me" alibi...

     
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    He ignores and insults military leadership, insults dead military heroes, diverts money from the military to pay for his vanity wall, and ignores or even benefits from russian bounties on American soldiers...

    Russian bounties further strain Trump’s bond with veterans
    CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — They didn’t like it when then-candidate Donald Trump criticized John McCain for being captured in combat. They were angrier when Trump, as commander in chief, abandoned Kurdish allies in the Middle East. And they were upset again last month when he threatened to deploy troops against American protesters.

    Trump’s relationship with the nation’s military community has been frequently strained. But just four months before the November election, reports that he either ignored, or was unaware of, a Russian plot to kill U.S. troops could intensify the tension and create new political risks.

    “I don’t think he cares about troops at all,” said Shawn LeMond, a Navy veteran who served his country in the Middle East and then his state of North Carolina as a Republican legislator. “If he didn’t know about Russia, it’s because he didn’t do his damn homework. And that’s despicable.”

    After sitting out the 2016 election, LeMond has withdrawn from the Republican Party and plans to vote for Trump’s Democratic opponent, Joe Biden, this fall.

    It’s difficult to gauge how widespread LeMond’s sentiment is among veterans, but there was a significant outcry this week from a collection of retired servicemen, elected officials in both parties and families of fallen soldiers who have lost confidence in the president’s commitment to the troops. That’s just four weeks after Trump’s former defense secretary James Mattis, a Marine general, described the president as a threat to the Constitution.

    Any erosion in Trump’s support from the national security community, long a pillar of the GOP base, could damage his reelection prospects, particularly in swing states with large concentrations of veterans, including Florida, Virginia, Texas and North Carolina.

    Rep. Richard Hudson, R-N.C., whose district includes Fort Bragg, acknowledged the troubling nature of the revelations, but like many other Republicans on Capitol Hill, he sidestepped Trump’s role.

    “There is no consensus on the intelligence yet, but as Fort Bragg’s congressman, I’m deeply troubled by the reports,” he said. “And if they are verified to be true, I believe there needs to be swift and severe consequences on Russia.”


    American intelligence has assessed that Russia offered militants bounties to kill American troops in Afghanistan. Initial intelligence was shared with the White House and included in one of Trump’s daily briefings in early 2019. In spite of that, Trump has maintained a warm relationship with Russian leader Vladimir Putin throughout his presidency.

    Trump on Wednesday dismissed the allegations as “Fake News.” The White House initially said Trump wasn’t briefed on the intelligence. But on Tuesday, press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Trump was indeed briefed, though there were reservations about the veracity of the allegations.

    “Make no mistake. This president will always protect American troops,” she declared.

    Those words rang hollow to some who serve the military community, like Rep. Paul Cook, R-Calif., a Marine veteran who represents several military installations and is retiring at year’s end.

    “I’m not really sure he absorbs a lot of this stuff,” Cook told The Associated Press of reports that Trump was briefed on the bounties. “He’s probably thinking about the polls.”

    Cook added: “I’m not going to be an apologist for Trump. Trump is Trump.”


    Biden leaned into the debate Tuesday, calling the Trump administration’s handling of the Russian intelligence “an absolute dereliction of duty.”

    As he often does, Biden reflected on his own son’s military service in Iraq. The developments were even more personal for potential Biden running mate Sen. Tammy Duckworth, a former Army lieutenant colonel who lost her legs in a helicopter crash in Iraq.

    “It’s deeply personal, it’s nauseating, and it’s obscene,” Duckworth, D-Ill., said of Trump’s muted response to the Russian bounties, which she cast as evidence that the commander in chief doesn’t value the well-being of American troops. “I think the only thing President Trump cares about is his own reelection and his own well-being.”

    The most poignant reactions, however, didn’t come from politicians.

    Erik Hendriks lost his 25-year-old son in an April 2019 attack that intelligence officials believe may be tied to the Russian bounties. The New York man said the pain of his son’s death would be even worse if there were bounties on American soldiers that the Trump administration didn’t address.

    “When they sign up and they go — any soldier, a Marine, Navy, Air Force, Army — I’m sure they want to believe that the government is 100% in their corner,” Hendriks told the AP. “And if any of this is true, how could a soldier actually believe that anymore? How could this government let one soldier go on patrol out there knowing this is true?”

    Those questions resonated with Matthew Whitney, a retired Army intelligence officer who worked in the Pentagon and now lives in Florida, a must-win state for the president.

    The 55-year-old Orlando man said the Trump administration clearly didn’t prioritize vital intelligence on Russia, which speaks either to the president’s leadership or to the people he surrounds himself with. He said he voted for Trump four years ago and wouldn’t do it again.

    “I feel like when this president stands in front of the troops -- there’s probably a part of his heart that cares for them — but I wonder to what extent they’re basically just props for him to talk about himself,” Whitney said.

    He admitted, however, that many of his close friends from the military community continue to support Trump.

    That’s the case in the Bush household near Fort Bragg, where Robyne Bush, the mother of a soldier in basic training and the wife of a retired Green Beret, shrugged off the latest revelations as old news.

    “We knew this. It’s not a secret,” said Bush, an Army veteran herself, who has helped comfort nearly 20 families of fallen soldiers.

    She voted for Trump in 2016 and vowed to do so again, praising his support for service members and the Veterans Administration.

    “I don’t like him as a person. I don’t like that personality,” Bush said. “But I think that he knows more than he ever lets on.”

    https://apnews.com/1aba4ae718995d11482119813834baf2
     
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    ... and trump searches for yet another new alibi...

     
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    Apparently trump thinks the Presidential Daily Brief is a hoax...



    And members of congress and soon the senate (and, the president himself) have all been briefed on this "hoax"...
     
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    ... and now an even newer version of the story being built as an alibi for trump... throwing an unnamed "senior career CIA official" under the bus...

     
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