Yep. He was criticized. I guess the media didn't get the memo about overhyping black QBs in relation to McNair. I mean, if the media is very desirous that a black QB do well, they certainly missed the boat on overhyping McNair. He's often been the second banana, at best, on his own team (behind Eddie George, and sometimes behind Jevon Kearse) in terms of hype. I still don't think McNabb is any more overhyped than any other QB with the same set of circumstances would be. And we do have the example of white QBs hyped well in excess of their abilities (Plummer is awful. He has something like a 30-56 record as a starter, including the four games in Denver. His stats are crap. He's got one winning season under his belt. But, from the get-go, he was seen as a great player. McNabb has accomplished a great deal more than that, yet he wasn't even the most hyped black QB the year he was drafted, though he was picked second overall behind Tim Couch). Had McNabb been white and put together the same stats, performance, record in Philly that he has, there would likely be the exact same level of hype about him. I don't recall hearing or seeing Donovan McNabb referred to as a black quarterback in the articles or stories about him, until now, of course. You could argue that it's not necessary to refer to him as a black QB because everybody knows he's black, but I don't recall reading or seeing a while lot about the black QB experience in relation to McNabb (or really to anyone in the last couple of years. With the proliferation of black QBs, it really wasn't much of a story any more that there was one in Philly. Heck, in Philly, like Houston, a black starting QB is really not a story anymore). If race is so important as to who gets hyped in excess of ability, why isn't Plummer referred to as a white QB if McNabb is referred to as a black QB? Why is race the factor when hyping a black QB, but other factors are the reason in other cases? Couldn't it very well be that race doesn't play a factor and QBs are overhyped for various reasons. We keep getting back to this: McNabb is hyped because of his race (at least partially). Every white QB who is hyped is hyped for reasons other than race. Race doesn't play a factor in those decisions. Can it not be true that McNabb and the other black QBs are hyped solely because of reasons other than race if non-black QBs are hyped solely for reasons other than race?
If the NFL wanted more Black coaches they would just hire them. There would be no policy on the hiring of coaches if the Black Coaches Association hadn't protested. The NFL is the group of owners. They are not separate entities.
Isn't this exactly what Rush was pointing out? He got "fired" for it. People get hyped for whatever unique characteristic they have to offer, i.e. the analysis of Plummer vs. Griese vs. McNabb. Isn't McNabb hyped because while blacks represent ~60% of the league rosters, black athletes don't hold down 60% of the quarterbacking jobs.
So the unique characteristic that McNabb has to offer is not his success on the field or what he brings to the game, it's the color of his skin? While for Plummer and Greise, it's what they bring to the game and what they accomplish on the field? No, McNabb is hyped because of his skills and his accomplishments on the field. I asked the question that you quoted because it doesn't make any sense that "the media" would do that. I don't agree with the point, and I question it. But I guess that's the way it is. At least that's the way everyone seems to be saying. Whatever a black QB accomplishes, the reason he gets hype is the color of his skin, not his accomplishments. So, I think Plummer has been overhyped. He just hasn't been that good from the get-go. Sportswriters (who tend to be the more conservative element in newsrooms) are very desirous that white QBs succeed as run-and-gun QBs to fight the perception that white guys are all drop-back passers like Troy Aikman, so they prop up a white guy who can move out of the pocket.
I just don't have the time to read 5 pages of Rush rants but my 2 cents... I have a high disdain for Right Wing conservative extremists...actually extremists in general. And 98% of the time, I think Rush is politcally full of s***. And growing up, I was frequently in mixed race bands and often one of the few white people in the clubs I performed in. And I could give a flying leap about what color my neighbors skin is as long as they are moral, legal and ethical. But.... I am truly shocked and extremely disppointed that we as a society have not progessed enough to allow a man to express his opinion without the verbal equivalence of tar and feathering. I am saddened that the majority of our black bretheren did not take higher ground and just say "consider the source".
This is ridiculous. There has not been rioting in the streets over this. And I guess its alright for the white sportscasters who have chosen to lambast him to do so, but not the black ones. ESPN got what they wanted.
Read the entire post: "I am truly shocked and extremely disppointed that we as a society have not progessed enough to allow a man to express his opinion without the verbal equivalence of tar and feathering." What about this implies race? Or perhaps you'd appreciate it more if I said we all should consider the source? I'm not sure what your point is but I personally don't see true race equality while we have chips on our shoulders. If I truly feel good about myself as a person, I could care less what someome else says.
The problem is that being silent can be seen as agreeing with the opinion (or at least acknowledging that it's true). If someone says something that's incorrect in your perception, you fight that with your own free speech.
Of course it was racist. Coming from someone else, it might have just been bizarre, but with Rush it was racist. That's how he operates... he dances along the line, brings the topic up in a deniable way (usually) and lets the dittoheads fill in the blanks. Because it came from Rush and because it has to be taken in context, and because he's not stupid (hell, he does the thinking for 15 million Americans), it was racist. Limbaugh's no great defender of Freedom of Speech, but he does like to hide behind the idea when the going gets tough. Typical bully. Also, his ideas have no merit within the greater US population. Anytime he's tried to break out of his little ditto hole, he gets slapped back in by either poor ratings or saying stuff that is anathema to most Americans. Good riddance... football should not be politicized and by his very act of being there, it became politicized. To help with context, here's a few examples. I'm sure anyone with google could do a little digging and see the readily apparent pattern. http://www.bobbeckel.com/rush.php Rush Limbaugh Says Blacks And Hispanics Are Too Stupid To Know How To Vote After learning the 9th circuit of the US Court of Appeals had ordered California to halt the recall vote scheduled for 10/7/03 Rush Limbaugh lost it and maybe lost some sponsors as well. Rush said that blacks and Hispanics were “too stupid” to use the machines. As to the allegation that there are too few voting precincts in minority areas for the 10/7 recall Limbaugh said that location “didn’t matter since blacks and Hispanics were bused to precincts anyway”. The appeals court held that minority voters would be at a disadvantage on October 7th since voting machines in largely minority areas of the state were using ‘punch card’ voting machines. These are the same antiquated machines that caused the Great Florida Hanging Chad battle in 2000. Most affluent and largely Republican areas of the state have state of the art voting machines that cause far fewer voting errors that the punch card machines. Clearly realizing he had gone too far Rush tried to pull one of his typical bait and switch moves. He said that it was really the Democrats and the Courts who were calling blacks and Hispanic stupid, and in a great show of RushBulls… said this was insulting to minorities. Problem is Rush no Democrat or court ever said that, and they certainly never said that it didn’t matter where or how many minority voting precincts since they were bused anyway. Every Democrat who knows about campaigns knows that 85% of minority voters walk or drive their own cars to vote. Can’t get out of this one Rushbo. You made two hateful racist statements, and then tried to pass them off to Democrats and the courts. Every minority and progressive group in this country should contact his sponsors and ESPN, who for some inexplicable reason, put Limbaugh on the air as a pro football analyst. From 8/26... Rushbo attacks civil rights leader Congressman John Lewis In one his most repulsive in years of repulsive commentary, Rush Limbaugh attacked civil rights leader John Lewis on his performance at last weekend’s 40th anniversary of Dr. Kings I Have A Dream speech. To paraphrase Limbaugh he said Lewis always looked troubled and angry and doesn’t do anything else.
You were so saddened by your black bretheren's response that you had to point it out. Did you not write this?
mrpaige, how many times do I have to explain this to you. Rush's point was that "color of his skin" was the ONLY reason for his success. I repeat, ONLY!!!!!! Got that? Our point is that, McNabb is very good QB, but "race" has *some* effect... I said time and time again that he had pure talent, and was a very, very good QB. But I also said that he was a black QB, and that in itself is a human interest story as he becomes more and more successfull. He doesn't have to win a Super Bowl today. It's a process. And he's the "new guy in the spot light." You are saying that the world is color blind. But that's not the real world we live in. Wake up man! You are denying that *race* has ANY effect. Absouly NONE! ZERO! That's a lot of BS!!!!! I'm saying that race has *some* effect on the media. I repeat, some!!!!! You are as EXTREME as Rush is, except on the other side of the fence.
and what exactly was Rush's aim at including the whole media wants black QB to succed statement? Political gain he could of stood up there looking like a corpse and argued that McNabb was overhyped all day and no one would of had a problem with it..even though Rush is wrong on that point as well..
It doesn't matter if it never happens. He's a story today. That's sells papers, magazines, etc... "The new upcoming talented QB!!! The new Mcnair! Runs better than Farve...has a great arm!!! Maybe McNabb can do what McNair didn't do, etc, etc...!!! You seem to live in a dream world. A world were people are color blind. That would be great. But we don't live in that world.
You are denying that *race* has ANY effect. Absouly NONE! ZERO! That's a lot of BS!!!!! I'm saying that race has *some* effect on the media. I repeat, some!!!!! If race has SOME effect, then why the hell are only certain black qb's hyped? Maybe the key to the hype is that he's "good" and "unique" and "led a bad offense to be good", rather than the "black"? As mrpaige has asked like 18 times, why wasn't McNair hyped like that? You have presented absolutely NO evidence that race had any factor in the hype. Good QB's are hyped regardless of their race, so what evidence is there that race is any part of it in this particular case?
Yes, I did. And your response to my comment was "ridiculous". You know how your response affects me...zip, nada, nill. I couldn't care less about narrow-mindedness. Yours or Rush's.
