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Rumsfeld stepping down

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mr. Brightside, Nov 8, 2006.

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  1. Mr. Brightside

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    I think Bush needs to pray to God for guidance in leading the country. He and his boy Rummy did that before, and look to how such great heights they have achieved.
     
  2. vlaurelio

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    he doesn't actually get bashed for sacking rumsfeld

    but for backing him all this time and lying about it despite the fact the rumsfeld failed miserable from the start

    if bush sacked rumsfeld earlier he wound't have been called a flip flopper

    now he is a flipflopper because dems have been telling him to sack rumsfeld but he was so stubborn and pretended that rumsfeld was doing one heck of job but on a contrary he already have a replacement for him but just holding out after the elections so the GOP doesn't get whacked which they did regardless
     
  3. updawg

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    one of the best decisions they have ever made is to get rid of somoene who has been ****in up for 6 years...great job
     
  4. Rocket River

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    How many have fallen on the Sword for this Admin?
    - Powell's integrity and Good Name

    Rocket River
     
  5. HayesStreet

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    A rose by another name is still a rose...you're just making his point for him.
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    Exactly right.
     
  7. Mulder

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    NICE!
     
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    Iraqis cheer Rumsfeld departure

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061109/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_rumsfeld

    BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqis on Thursday cheered the resignation of U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, blaming him for policy failures and scandals they say helped spawn the daily sectarian carnage wracking their nation.

    "Rumsfeld's resignation shows the scale of the mess the U.S. has made in
    Iraq," said Ibrahim Ali, 44, who works at the Oil Ministry. "The efforts by American politicians to hide their failure are no longer working."

    Iraq's government has yet to comment on Rumsfeld's resignation, announced Wednesday after the Democratic Party won a sweeping victory in midterm elections in which voter discontent over the war in Iraq played a major role.

    Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has in recent weeks grown increasingly critical of U.S. policies and pushed for his government to assume more responsibility for security from U.S.-led coalition forces.

    Many in Baghdad said they expect changes in the U.S. approach under Rumsfeld's expected replacement, former
    CIA director Robert Gates.

    "I think that there will a shift in the U.S. policy in Iraq after his resignation," said Osama Ahmed, 50, a civil servant.

    What changes could be in store aren't yet clear, although ideas for a new strategy are being studied by an independent U.S. commission led by former Secretary of State James A. Baker III and former Democratic Rep. Lee Hamilton of Indiana. The White House says it is opposed to two prominent options — the partitioning of Iraq or a phased withdrawal of troops.

    Whatever suggestions are put forward, however, Iraqis said Rumsfeld's departure was a positive move.

    "Rumsfeld's resignation is a good step because he failed to keep security in Iraq," said Saad Jawad, 45, a former army officer who also works at the Oil Ministry.

    Many Iraqis blamed Rumsfeld for spurring the emergence of Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias by disbanding the former Iraqi army following the April 2003 toppling of the former government of
    Saddam Hussein.

    Although that order was actually issued by former top U.S. administrator in Iraq, L. Paul Bremer, such sentiments show how widely Rumsfeld is identified with failed policies in Iraq.

    "I am happy with Rumsfeld's resignation because he played a major role in disbanding the former Iraqi army. He participated in building the new army on a sectarian basis," said Louai Abdel-Hussein, 48, a Shiite who owns a small grocery in Baghdad.

    Ahmed, the civil servant, said Rumsfeld should also be held responsible for crimes by American forces in Iraq, particularly the abuse of Iraqis at
    Abu Ghraib prison that became known in 2004.

    "Rumsfeld's resignation is not enough," Ahmed said. "He should be put under investigation for his responsibility in the crimes committed in Abu Ghraib and the killings and rapes carried out by U.S. soldiers against Iraqi citizens, he said.


    Rumsfeld had twice previously offered his resignation to Bush — once during the Abu Ghraib scandal and again shortly after that. Both times the president refused to let him leave.

    Sentiments toward the resignation among the roughly 140,000 U.S. troops in Iraq weren't widely known, although Col. Al Kelly, commander of 1st Battalion, 17th Infantry Regiment, said he didn't see it as "either positive or negative at this point."

    "There are a lot of decisions that he's made that people aren't happy with," Kelly told Associated Press Television News in Taji, just north of Baghdad.

    "But he made some hard decisions and when you're in that kind of position, you're not always going to be ... liked by everybody," Kelly said.
     
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    Defiant and arrogant to the end. Rumsfeld's account yesterday in the Oval Office....

    Buh bye rummy...
     
  10. insane man

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    dude that was really weird. its like some kids who're interning though hey lets have a press conference and did it really quick. bush's first press conference yesterday was really odd too. he was talking fast, answering stupid, being too honest. and of course when he realized this he turned back to his former self and began making stupid jokes.
     
  11. vlaurelio

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    so you want to praise bush for doing the right thing 3 years later?
     
  12. insane man

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    exactly. if a rapist is allowed to wander for 3 years more than necessary and rapes more people...should the person who turns him in even though he could have 3 years later deserve praise or blame?
     
  13. Burzmali

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    I'm not asking you to priase anybody.

    Just shut up when the President finally cans the guy that you all hate, instead of whining some more.

    Honestly liberals all seem to share the character trait of being annoying. Like petulant little kids, but worse: self-righteous too.
     
  14. insane man

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    says the rumsfeld lover.
     
  15. Zboy

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    Someone is still feeling the pain....
     
  16. vlaurelio

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    who's whining? we're just having fun saying WE TOLD YOU SO..

    rumsfeld was a failure from the beginning since he came into iraq with less not enough troops and disbanded the iraqi army..

    and bush is 3 years, 3000 dead US soldiers,and 300 billion dollars late.. and he's either too stupid to have realized it or too stubborn to have admitted it earlier..

    as compared to your president who attacked iraq after saying God told him so and who weekly consults with a fundamentalist anit-gay christian who admitted to paying a homosexual for services and buying crustal meth from him?
     
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  17. adoo

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    kinda like Kerry voted for the Iraq War before he voted against its funding.
     
  18. adoo

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    kinda like the conservatives.

    there is not a monopoly. libs and consveratives whine / bash the opposition at every opportunity
    kins like the W & NeoCons, before reality bites
     
  19. NewYorker

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    Ummm, who's doing the whining?

    I think all people are annoying. Actually, anyone who categorizes themselves as a "liberal" or a "conservative" is pretty annoying it seems. Oh wait, now I am whining....
     
  20. NewYorker

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    I think Rummy was slated to resign for a while, and was just waiting until after the election - win or lose, to make a change. I don't think people are taking Rummy is being fired for the election - rather he's being fired for a failed policy in Iraq.
     

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