I believe the rule is, You cannot trade consecutive first round picks. That means if we did the trade with the Clips it would be for their first ruond picks this year and thier first round pick in 2004.
What about if they receive one back? Say we trade the #1 pick for Golden State's #1 this year and their #1 next year. Since they have received our #1, does that allleviate the problem?
I'd rather have: Ming Griffen Odom Tskitishvilli/Welsch Francis Now that is a big and athletic starting 5: front to back And all can handle the ball (except Griffen), shoot, pass, rebound and block shots. gimme!
Who's this guy Griffen? He keeps on popping up everywhere. The Rockets do have a player named Eddie GRIFFIN.
To trade our #1 this year has to be a sign-and-trade. We can't just trade away the rights to a pick two years in a row. So if we take J-Dub #1, sign-and-trade, take back 85% in return. That would be Lamar's salary now. They can toss picks on top as sweetener.
Lamar Odom, by himself, is not worthy of giving up the #1 draft pick. Period. Don't know how many times that needs to be said, but I'll say it again for clarity's sakes...Lamar Odom, by himself, is not worthy of giving up the #1 draft pick.
Just once more to really let it sink in because I couldn't agree with you more: "Lamar Odom, by himself, is not worthy of giving up the #1 draft pick."
Odom and the 8th and 12th are more than worthy of trading the first pick in this draft simply because of the baggage that Ming has. He might never even play here even if drafted. If we could get Olowokandi as well as Odom and get rid of rice then the deal would be great. We could get solid players at 8, 12 and 15 and insert Odom and Olowokandi into the starting lineup. Francis Mobley Kandi Odom Griffin That would be a fun team to watch. And if whoever gets Yao has any trouble with him getting into uniform we would look very smart.
Why? If you're saying this assuming Yao Ming is the #1 pick I'd really like to know. Both bring something that the Rockets need, an athletic three that can do some of everything or a solid center. Lamar has proven that he can perform at a high level in the NBA, Yao has not. Lamar has some off the court issues, but are they so bad, he smoked some weed and got busted in a drug test, I think he's learned his lesson. There are worse things one can do. Besides that, I don't think his off the court issues even come close to the off the court issues with Ming. Regardless, I don't think a trade would just involve the #1 for Odom straight up, but he is worthy IMO.
kubli9: I know that you don't want the Rox to pick Ming, but the reason why you don't trade the #1 pick just for Odom are several reasons: 1) Lamar Odom has some baggage 2) You milk the #1 pick for all you got and try to get the most value - a veteran player who has been in trouble by smoking pot and has questionable leadership capabilities, at best does NOT give you the most value 3) Odom is simply not that good by himself in giving up the #1 pick 4) Despite your reservations on Ming, he could simply become one of the game's franchise players - if there's a 7-5 center who has his skills out there, guess what, I'm going to go with him over the pothead 10 times out of 10. It's true that the Rockets are weak at both center and small forward, but I think the hole is bigger at center. If we really wanted Odom bad enough to trade this pick (which I think would be a mistake), then the Clippers need to include not only Odom, but their #8 pick, their first round draft pick for next season, AND Elton Brand PLUS take on Glen Rice's shi##y contract & I'll go ahead and throw in Kenny Thomas. When you are talking about a pick that has the potential that Ming has, you ask for a lot and Odom by himself is not a lot.
One thing that alot of people seem to forget is: How rare a true Center is these days. If Ming is becomes half as good as the hype about the guy, he will be worth alot more then Odom any day of the week. There are alot more 3's then 5's!
<i>I believe the rule is, You cannot trade consecutive first round picks. That means if we did the trade with the Clips it would be for their first ruond picks this year and thier first round pick in 2004.</i> That is not exactly correct. Here's a pretty good explanation from Larry Coon's FAQ: This is called the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. The trades, as columnist Chris Young put it, "amounted to giving up Manhattan for a bag of beads." As a result of Stepien's ineptitude, a rule was introduced which prevents teams from making trades which might leave them without a future first-round draft pick in consecutive years. This rule applies only to <b>future</b> first round picks. For example, if this is the 99-00 season, then teams can trade their 2000 first round pick without regard to whether they had a 1999 pick, since their 1999 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2000 and 2001 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years. In addition, teams are required to have only a first round pick, and not necessarily <b>their</b> first round pick. So teams may trade away their own future picks in consecutive years if they have another team's first round pick in one of those years. <i>To trade our #1 this year has to be a sign-and-trade. We can't just trade away the rights to a pick two years in a row. So if we take J-Dub #1, sign-and-trade, take back 85% in return. That would be Lamar's salary now. They can toss picks on top as sweetener.</i> This is not correct, either. You can only do a sign and trade with your own free agents. Unsigned 1st round picks are not free agents. If we did draft and sign a player, then they can't be traded for 90 days or until Dec. 15th, whichever is later. Since we currently have another draft pick this year (#15), we would be able to trade our #1. See the Coon explanation of the Ted Stepien Rule above. If we did a trade for Odom, that wouldn't affect the amount that he could sign and extention for. He is signed for another year, so his current salary would be used for the purpose of matching salaries in a trade. Once we traded for him, we would then have his Bird rights and be able to pay him anything we wanted up to the max for a player of his experience ($9M).
I don't even want the Rockets to pick Yao Ming, but I would rather have him than Lamar Odom. The Clippers need to throw in something else for this trade to be equal in my opinion. Lamar Odom himself was a #3, not a #1 pick. He's not worth a #1 pick anyway.
