[rumor] Stoops To Be ND's Next Coach

I highly doubt stoops would leave the sooners for notre dame. Notre dame lives in the was and not in the is. There used to be a point and time when it was a national program and could get kids from everywhere with the lure of being on tv every week, but with all the packages and stuff, kids areon tv alot. Not to mention notre dame is at a disadvantage recruiting much like stanford,baylor,vandy,duke and all those other highly academic schools. Texas,Usc,Michigan,O-State and the other big name programs can take kids that are boderline, keep them elgible for 3 yrs and win bigtime. Also if people haven't noticed, kids are making living choices when choosing schools. If you were a stud coming out of high school, where would u rather be in the fall? South bend or austin,la,gainsville,miami,baton rouge or athens? I mean its basicaly impossible to get a southern kid to go to a cold place unless they're a powerhouse. How often do you see a cali kid going east or north? I have seen dwane jarrett come from jersey to usc though. I think a better choice for the irish would be a energetic guy that can relate like herm edwards. I think herm would be great as a college coach with his energy and passion similar to carroll

 

We say all of this, but ND has consistently been ranked pretty solid in the recruiting classes. I don't think they are suffering from much of a disadvantage. Maybe they are recruiting the wrong players?

 

Agreed - and Stoops manages to get people to go to a not-so-exciting place like Norman, Oklahoma on a regular basis (sure, he may have to pay them or get them fake jobs, but those are minor details...). And 4 of the top 10 teams in the country right now are all cold-weather northern teams (Cinci, Ohio State, Iowa, Penn State). It was only a few years ago that Michigan and OSU were ranked #1 and #2.

If you needed to recruit 300 players a year, it might be tougher than it would 20 years ago. But I think Notre Dame could find 25 players/yr that are fine with playing in the north. And the appeal of it would be to rebuild a once-proud program - so you can go out and recruit people who want the challenge and to be remembered for having built a program, rather than just wanting to be part of an already existing machine that's going to be good with or without you (TX, Florida, USC, etc).

 

Why would anyone want to play in south bend Indiana. Why would anyone leave ou for ND. ND might have been good, but that was a long time ago.

 

Why would anyone have wanted to play in Norman, Oklahoma in 1999?

 

Thank you. OU was pretty much in the ****ter before Stoops got there. With the financial resources, facilities, and a good coaching staff, ANY school can compete.

Notre Dame has the resources and facilities. The've even had pretty decent recruits. What they've been lacking is a decent coach.

Not saying Stoops is going to end up in South Bend, but coaches have big egos. What can make a coach more legendary than winning at Notre Dame?

 

Is Norman a destination? Is Columbus, OH a destination? Is Ann Arbor a destination? Is Penn State a destination? Is Alabama a destination?

Those teams all seem to be able to overcome the fact that they aren't in hot spot cities, and Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Cincinnati, etc. all overcome the fact that they aren't in bikini weather towns. How many powerhouse schools are really in cities that you think to yourself "Man, I would LOVE to live there!" as a college kid? USC, Texas, Florida, LSU...are there others?

I mean I look at the schools that have been good to great this decade and I see schools like West Virginia, Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Ohlahoma, TCU, Boise State, Virginia Tech, Utah, Louisville...

Heck, it was only 2003 when Nebraska was still relevant! I don't see why Notre Dame is any less of a "destination" school than those teams.

Edit: You can throw Stillwater and Lubbock into that mix as well. Why can't Notre Dame be as successful as Texas Tech or OSU? I mean dang, Stillwater's biggest claim to fame is Eskimo Joe's!

 

OU is near texas so it has that going for it.

Since the BCS began the only non southern school to win it has been ohio state. Every other school has been an sec or other warm weathered school.

 

Losing at Notre Dame.

 

I definitely think schools in the south have an inherent advantage, but I disagree that it means Notre Dame should be a national laughing stock,.

 

Maybe not a laughing stop, but I doubt they become a national power. I think a place like miami would be a much better place to coach.

 

Well, Stoops grew up with Notre Dame being a national power. There is an allure there. Also, they can pay him a whole boatload of money.

 

Except Miami doesn't have the money and the facilities...

I don't think Notre Dame should compete for a national title every year, but I don't see any reason why they can't be at Penn State or Ohio State's level. There is absolutely no reason for them to be a 6 or 7 win team every year. Losing to teams like Navy and Stanford should be out of the question.

 

If this happens, in regards to the immediate impact, does ND really have that much talent to work with? One has to assume Clausen goes pro. Golden Tate might as well. Which puts their offense in trouble. And their defense isn't that good (ranked in mid 60's). So you lose two solid players on a slightly better than average offense, and still have a bad defense. Just questioning how quick someone like a Stoops could turn around a ND program.

OU clearly suffers in the near term, but a solid replacement hire should keep them as a consistent potential Big 12 champion candidate.

 

I don't know how quickly the right coach could turn Notre Dame around, but my guess is two years.

As for Oklahoma, losing Stoops could hurt big time. There is no reason to assume that Oklahoma is just destined to be a Big 12 power if they don't have a good coaching hire.

If I'm an Aggie, this is my dream come true. I don't think A&M has any chance to overtake Texas as the recruiting power in the state, but Stoops leaving Oklahoma at least gives them a chance to get over them.

 

There has been almost a direct correlation between the rise of OU in the last 10 years and the downfall of A&M from a power program.

I agree with the posters that have said the biggest near term impact for any Big 12 program if Stoops leaves would be A&M recruiting rising up the ranks.

 

Right, OU certainly can't just be penciled in, but with a solid replacement hire, they should be at least ok. It'd be hard for it not to be a permanent step backward for them over the near to immediate term though. Stoops has consistently "flopped" in the big game, but he's gotten there a lot, and won once. I definitely agree they will be worse, perhaps for a while, but they could still be a Big 12 power.

Frankly, every other team in the Big 12, Texas aside, should benefit in recruiting from Stoops leaving OU. I don't follow recruiting enough, but I wouldn't be shocked if A&M and Ok. State benefited the most....of course, if this did happen, Ok. State should be kicking themselves right now. If instead of getting whooped by OU, they did the whooping, and then Stoops left, I could see them pulling a lot more recruits.

Getting beat down 27-0 by your in-state rivals most mediocre team in years doesn't help recuriting.

 

OSU isn't going to overtake Oklahoma. OSU is the little sister to Oklahoma just like A&M is to Texas. A shift in that will take more than just Bob Stoops leaving. As for Big Game Bob flopping in the Big Game, I think it has more to do with the Big 12 being closer to the Big 10 than they are to the SEC.

 

Well, before he got to OU in 1999, they had 5 straight non-winning seasons. A year later, they went 13-0 and won a NC.

Granted, he inherited some talent (Calmus, Roy Williams), but you don't go from 7-5 to 13-0 in one year without being special, IMO.