At this point in time with the way both have been playing and looks like will continue to play. I would not mind if both are traded.
Come on guys - Artest will never play in a Detroit uniform after the brawl. The fans there wouldn't allow it - especially at the expense of letting go of one of their popular players. I can't think of even once in my entire NBA watching life has a team traded to get a player who was guaranteed to be booed on his homecourt every time he touched the ball. The only way the Rockets get a Detroit player is if Artest is not involved or if there is some kind of 3 way trade with Ron. Either of those are a possibility but not the Ron for a Piston player scenarios...
Thanks for letting us know how you feel. Never would have guessed... But honestly, do you have to make a post saying the same damn thing in every single thread out there about every single damn subject? As for the topic, I hope this rumor is false. I would only trade Ron if we get a better player in return or a player that upgrades one of our positions more than Ron upgrades our SF position. So basically, a point guard. As Hinrich is the only serviceable player available, I'd pass. As for fitting in, hopefully Mac isn't here next year or after next year which changes the whole dynamic of the team. I would much rather have Ron Artest than Mike Miller when Tracy is gone.
Call me crazy, but if we're in win now mode I want Marcus Camby to start along side Yao. I like Scola's game but he doesn't bring enough height with his lack of athleticism. We get killed on the boards a lot due to the lack of length. What are we also, like last in the league in blocks? I know he's older but if I'm rolling the dice with this team and Yao as the focal point of the offense I want a better and longer help defender at the 4 that can make up for Yao's lack of rebounding when it matters most. See Utah, game 7, 2007.
Hmmmm.....let's see, Rockets fan board, talking about contemporary goings on....why yes....Yes, I do need to do that. But I get your point. Well, if you pass, and you have no intention of resigning Ron, you let a valuable option go away. Let's not forget that Ron cost us this year's first round pick and next years as well. DD
You missed my point, we gave up Donte Green - last year's pick and this year's pick to get him. And if you let him walk it is basically giving away 2 first round picks for nothing. If you are not going to resign him, then you have to look at him as an asset and get something that fits better on the team. Thus my point. DD
Do you think the Rockets have no intention of resigning Ron? I would be really interested to know what Clutch meant when he said he has "riled up some feathers". Most importantly, whose feathers? If it's Yao's, I guess the choice is clear. If it's Tracy's, I wouldn't get rid of Ron because of that. This team has tried to please McGrady for far too long. Unless Ron has hinted at leaving after this season, I wouldn't trade him for lesser talent. In case he has, I would like to know that after a trade has gone down.
i thought it was bs at first, but honestly if we can get another proven scorer or defender, i'm down. ron just doesn't seem to fit when he is with tmac and yao and those 3 will have to play together down the stretch and if we can't score well without them we need to replace him
Emat, This is a reasonable discussion, I am enjoying it. I know you said don't trade him for a lesser talent and that has a lot of merit. But sometimes, players fit in better on a team and are more effective even when their talent is lesser. To me, we have 5 quality wings - Wafer, Tmac, Barry, Battier, Artest, and we really don't have a quality consistent PG. So why not take one of your quality wings and upgrade a position of need, sure the talent may not be the same, but the overall fit is better and therefore the entire team benefits. That is my thinking, and I don't think the Rockets have any intention of signing Artest....therefore I think he has to go. DD
we gave up potential for a proven player. bigez, wasn't rudy considered a lazy player in college? but looking back and knowing that rick adelman is our coach, rudy gay would probably fit this system better. who knows. what if maxwell got a contract extension and came off the bench for drexler.
You do realize this argument is a waste of time because the team was never going to draft Rudy Gay anyway, they were going to draft Thebo Sefalosha, so all this pining for a player the team never had interest in is silly. And what does Shane have to do with ANYTHING about trading Artest? Seriously? What? DD
a non-performing asset in stromile swift, plus a #8 pick which would've been the dude from europe who went to the bulls. if you're talking about gay, for one cd and jvg weren't gonna draft him anyway; two, we got wafer now for nothing (who is at least half good as gay). gay is nothing special. anyone on a bottom losing team can score big stats. put scola on a bad team and he could easily be 20/10.
I would really like to hear your reasoning for this. Is it because he doesn't fit? The thing is, we don't need an upgrade at the PF or wing positions. Getting a good backup center (Camby, Kaman...) would be redundant. You don't trade a starter for someone who's going to play 15 minutes per game behind Yao. That leaves the PG. I just don't see anyone out there who would be worth it. I've wanted Hinrich for some time now but he is not that much better than Rafer. Luke Ridnour? No. Steve Nash? We're not getting him. Also, the fact that we got Artest so cheap illustrates his value which definitely hasn't gone up during the season. And lastly, it's Tracy who Ron doesn't fit with, not Yao. That's why I think you have to explore trading McGrady as much as trading Ron. I think neither has a high value. Granted, trading 8 million is much easier than 20 million.
Probably based on 2 things...one is I don't think he fits, and two when Clutch says he is being shopped, I tend to believe him. Agreed. I think Tmac can fit, it will just take him realizing his role and playing to it.....I agree they are both not ideal, so you move the one that you can this year, and then the other one if necessary next year. DD
I'm leaning towards staying put this year. I would see how this season ends and then see what we can do. With Ron, you can do a sign&trade if you don't want to resign him. How many teams will be able to outright sign him? Will he play for a bottom feeder? I think a sign&trade is a realistic option. With Mac it's all about his contract running out. This season, I think what we have now is our best bet to go far.
That is a reasonable take, personally, I would rather the team explore the options this year, but if they decide to ride it out and see what happens, then that is ok too. I just think that is giving up on this year, I just don't see the chemistry on this team, they just don't mesh well together.....too many "me" players, and not enough "we" players. DD
