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Rumor Ron Being Shopped

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RoxFan4Ever, Jan 22, 2009.

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  1. HeyDude

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    Our rebounding would improve a bit. But at the expense of offense I think. Yao runs the floor pretty decently for his size, at least much better than Deke. Also, not all block shots result in fast breaks. Deke's value will go up though, once TMAC comes back, as he can find him on offense lurking around, so defenses can't just flat out leave him open to double team others. Others who will benefit more with TMAC coming back will be Chuck, and Battier. TMAC makes them better offensively, and they make us better defensively. Its a trickle down effect that will require a healthy TMAC.
     
  2. JeopardE

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    You couldn't be wronger.

    Rockets offensive rating numbers:
    Shane on court - 112.5 ORtg, 113.5 points per 100pp (net +6.8)
    Shane off court - 104.17 ORtg, 106.7 points per 100pp

    Chuck on court - 99.88 ORtg, 103.7 points per 100pp (net -6.8)
    Chuck off court - 109.3 ORtg, 110.5 points per 100pp

    I can see how difficult it is to comprehend those numbers since all you care about is points per game or whether a player is hitting their jump shots, but that statement is so incredibly wrong.
     
  3. Yetti

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    Well you could be right, but if one is just an ordinary Rocket's fan one might think quite differently if one observes how they have played in the last 10 games. :p
     
  4. leebigez

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    Here is a idea, watch the games. Don't let some nerd crunching formulas tell you how efficient a player is. In fact, get a pen and pad and do it yourself because let me tell you how misleading stats can be if you don't apply them to the actual games.
    Say a player like shane is starting and while he's in in the 1st qt the score is tied despite him not doing nathan. He comes back in and the team hold serve again. The 3rd qt rolls around and its the same. The 4th comes and despite shane doing nothing, its become a ft contest with a terrible ft team. The rox win the game in the end by 6 because they made their ft's and the other team didn't. It will show shane with a +6 despite doing nothing but being on the court during this ft line contest. On the other hand, his man ie Ronny Brewer can be torched him all night for like 19 and have a -1 because his team lost at the end. There isn't a guy that watches basketball will say shane helped in the win, but the formula will.
     
  5. eric.81

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    Here's the problem with that statement: Daryl Morey is a stat nerd. He is going to look at these numbers and act accordingly.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    Leeb,

    That is a gross exageration, what about rebounds, assists, or passing to a guy that makes the assist? What about playing team defense clogging the lanes, helping keep Yao out of foul trouble?

    Out there doing nothing...come on.....

    DD
     
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  7. saleem

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    + - formulas are sometimes right and sometimes wrong.
     
  8. leebigez

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    That's probably why we had a 6'6 backup center and drafted a 6'7 backup center when we already had 2 6'8 pf's.
     
  9. JeopardE

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    +/- statistics are good when used correctly in context. For example, it's rather silly to look at +/- for a single game or a week and make a derivation about the player's performance for the entire season; similarly, it would be ridiculous to say anything about Deke's +/- numbers given that he has only played for a couple of minutes the entire season.

    Plus/minus stats become much more informative when used in context with actual offensive/defensive rating numbers. For example, 113.5 points per 100pp is fairly outstanding: the best three offensive teams in the league -- the Lakers, Blazers and Cavs produce 114.2, 112.8 and 112.4 pts/100pp respectively. By the same measure Chuck Hayes' 103.7 pts/100pp is rather bad (matched by the 26th-ranked Kings). I think Chuck's offensive stats may be skewed a little bit to the downside given his more limited floor time, but the numbers clearly show that it is categorically false to say Battier and Chuck have the same offensive value.

    To leebigez: I would actually suggest you take your own advice and watch the games more carefully, because if you did you would notice some of the things that Battier does to help the team score points more efficiently. All you see is who launched a shot, and Battier's shooting slump has completely blinded you from the rest of his myriad contributions to the team.
     
  10. Gummi Clutch

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    I dont want them to move Ron, but I agree with this. It's not 100% he will be back, and might as well see what's out there and available, after all Mourey has a great track record.
    Ive also heard another opinion from a NBA insider, that due to the economy (and Im sure the recent injury dont help either) Ron wont have a lot of money thrown his way this off season. He recommended Ron sign with the Rockets one more year and then go into the 2010 free agent class where he could possibly get more money from the plethora of teams that will miss out on LeBron.
     
  11. OCballfan

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    Since the Suns are stinkin it up Jrich/Nash + Head + cash for Artest?
     
  12. SuperStar

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    The only player I want on the Suns is Shaq.
     
  13. OCballfan

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    oops i meant the other way around for either Nash or Jrich

    And to the poster above, be careful what you wish for.
     
  14. Gummi Clutch

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    I think it would be frickin awsome if Shaq takes Dekes place in a season or two.
     
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    imo he's the jim jackson (when he was with the rockets) of the suns. the guy is putting up the numbers but in the long run he's killing the team.
     
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    Ron who we don't know if he would even want to stay here is the logical trade with Battier still here.
     
  17. SuperStar

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    The Suns are a run and gun team and Shaq is a half court player. They are just using him wrong. Shaq has 3 championships with 3 different teams, he is not the cause of the problem. Also the Rockets style of play fit Shaq a lot more.
     
  18. worzel gummidge

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    The Suns were a run and gun team back when they were good. They're a half court team now.
     
  19. roslolian

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    Amare is the one killing them, not Shaq. You'd think with all the attention on Shaq in the middle Amare would make a killing at PF spot, but apparently he's whiny crybaby and a mental midget who can't handle not being the center of attention. Suns really should have traded him for KG when they had a chance, Shaq +Nash+KG+Hill+Richardson would probably beat the current Celts any day of the week.
     
  20. SuperStar

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    Nash and Amare can't play half court. They don't play defense and it gets exposed when they aren't trying to outscore their opponent by running and gunning. I don't think they even have an identity right now.
     

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